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She's not a notable person. She's a person who wrote a song which is notable for what it tells us about Web 2.0, taste, and other related phenomena in 2011. Would Black's article have a "personal life" section? Would we discuss her grades at school if we got a source for that? If she died it might make for interesting article. But as it is, she's not a cultural symbol. Or, if the other ARK musicians took off, there would be room for some fascinating articles about that label, its artists, and a timeline of their sudden rise to popularity.~
1770:- Amusingly/coincidentally enough, I've actually been there at least a dozen times over the last 40-ish years. Those hits to the Union Leader's archives are for "Plenty of lights and holiday spirit at Santa's Village", and "Santa's Village lights beckon" types of fluff coverage, but there are several of them, and usually on the front page if I recall. Time permitting, I may be able to fetch copies from the library if needed.
750:, and I would be more inclined to agree overall if the subject was five years older; We now have sources, of a sort, which were clearly lacking before yesterday (because they didn't exist yet!) Separately, I don't think Knowledge (XXG) should be in the business of documenting this sort of thing until it's at least made it beyond Warhol time.
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Hello, I'm the deleting admin. I deleted as a promotional article, although A7 might have applied as well. The article reads like it's straight out of a pamphlet: "Guests may purchase a letter from Santa (cost as of 2009 is $ 4) that arrives
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