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597:"When it comes to industry leaders / entrepreneurs their notability comes..." erm nope, the point of the notability guidelines is to try and work out what the world at large considers notable and then we cover that. We get that indication from the coverage received. If your view that the world was taking note of the individual as a result of the success... then they'd still actually show some interest in that person and write about that person. There are many industry leaders/entrepreneurs for which that has happened, the world find the person interesting and so newspapers etc. write about the individual. For those who don't it does suggest that the world may well be interested in the creation but not in the person. (The same is true in many areas authors + books - book gets lots of press, reviews etc. and all mention the author but no real interest in the author as a person, film producers vs films... etc.). Given the low participation in the debate if any of the new references are up to anything I'd be tempted to let this be relisted, but if your argument is solely that, which has been rejected in many xFD discussions, It would seem a pointless exercise. -- 612:
This makes a lot of sense, however, to the point that sources should cover primarily the individual, a number of the source material referenced in the article was primarily about the individual and not about the company per se. I would suggest referencing the IdeaMensch, BNET, Mixergy and Loyalty360
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I looked at those sources before deleting. They refer, as far as I could tell, to companies founded by Dudelson - not with any significant coverage of Dudelson himself, beyond a "here's how I do business" interview. If it's desired, I can restore the article for the sources to be assessed by others
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Yes, the article contains a host of new articles from notable business news sources / publications like New York Times, Inc Magazine, Bnet.com and others, that were not discussed at the AfD. The original page which was deleted was poorly presented and lacked notable sources, my intention with the
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Thank you Bushranger, as mentioned before, the challenge here - and my argument of notability- is that one cannot separate the achievements of a company vs the individual when the individual was leading the company (and the source material credits the individual for leading the org).... When it
613:(byline article), as examples, which favor coverage about the individual over their creation. Although not on-line, i've seen this individual speak at a number of conferences about the general state of the loyalty industry and he is generally considered a thought leader. 640:. for which it will be easier to show the notability. CEOs of sufficiently major companies are i think notable but it would be difficult to maintain the proposition that all companies that merit a Knowledge (XXG) articles are sufficiently notable for that purpose. 186:
Although I was not contacted regarding this, I wouldn't have changed my decision anyway. I can't see how the AFD could be interpreted any different and I think the IP is misunderstanding what DRV is.--v/r -
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The article in question was a recreation of an article deleted by unanimous consensus at AfD, without any siginificant changes in the article's content vis-a-vis the version that was AfD'd. -
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There is normally a problem with articles for people who have done several things, each of them somewhat under the level for notability. I don't really have any solution.
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Have any new sources emerged that weren't discussed at the AfD? I would think that new sources would be the best way forward if we're to have an article with this title.—
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Mahan Mj (Mahan Mitra) has got Shanti Swarup Bhatnagar Award this year. He is one of the leading topologists in India. His page should be restored as soon as possible!
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FWIW, I added articles this morning on the other recipients of the 2011 awards. There's a good deal of work still to be done for the earlier years.
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comes to industry leaders / entrepreneurs their notability comes from the success of the organization they've created.
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has already been deleted five, count 'em five times. (three G11, one A7, one G7) and has been
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new article was to clean up previous editors article using these new and reliable sources.
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I think a discussion about this award might make sense, so no objection to an AfD.
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and add the new material. Obviously our checking was not sufficiently thorough.
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I would suggest trying to make first an article for his principal companies,
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temporarily restored for discussion at Deletion Review
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Knowledge (XXG):Deletion review
Log
2011 September 29
Deletion review archives
2011 September
2011 October 1
30 September 2011
Mahan Mitra
Spartaz
04:36, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
deletion review
Mahan Mitra
talk
edit
history
logs
links
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XfD
restore
59.93.247.38
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23:02, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
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01:48, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
the highest award for science in India

Hullaballoo Wolfowitz
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