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releases. I certainly did take account of the prior history, which showed similar efforts to write a similarly promotional article on a borderline notable author who managed to get one book in the bottom position of the NYT best-seller list. It wasn't strictly speaking a re-creation of deleted content, (see but it came close. As I told the editor, an article might be possible, but since it would take rewriting from scratch, AfC is the place for it. In fairness,
1058:. Based on the guidelines, I am unable to site his facebook, twitter and other pages which are user edited, as pointed by the admin. The page is searched and this is the reason I have created the article on this actor. He has been in the Malayalam Film Industry for almost 10+ years and has acted in 50+ movies and is not a non-notable personality. A reviewer may review the article and make necessary changes to the page after the page is published. See 252:, it does not require "rewriting from scratch" and it was already reviewed by another user. You already know why the current title is "extraordinarily promotional", it is because the actual title is protected and the current one is meant to be temporal, which is why I was asking you to remove protection from 1100:
I want to provide the the reference links given above in the article and would want to work on this thereby improving the article. Please suggest on how to get a copy of the article to work on. I would also like the page to be reviewed so that the page doesn't get deleted again. Requesting the admin
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The fervency of recreation and argument here suggests a unique interest in this particular individual, who seems at best borderline notable. That itself calls into question motivation, but I don't think we need to pursue that aspect, because G11 doesn't take motivation into consideration, just the
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The article itself was very highly promotional, using an extraordinarily promotional title. repeating the name at every opportunity (one single sentence there used his name four times!), avoid claiming importance based on non-notable awards, and avoid using sources that are essentially press
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to use AFC (and I never have) but if it means avoiding blatantly promotional content like this then it should be considered. I think the deletion was entirely appropriate. Want the "proper" title unsalted? Develop a good draft in your userspace and bring it back to DRV for discussion.
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that there might be enough notability for an article to be written, as suggested above, but this isn't it. I would grab the text while the history is available and work on it in a sandbox if I wanted to rescue it (which I don't)
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The present material is highly unsuitable as an encyclopedia article though I suppose an acceptable version might be possible. Maybe the article could be reduced to a stub – the Bloomberg reference is good though brief. I think
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His book was 1 on WSJ, 6 on Publishers Weekly, 10 on NYTimes and was also on the US Today list, but you called him "a borderline notable author who managed to get one book in the bottom position of the NYT best-seller list"? —
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Article do not fail. Request the admin to reconsider and restore the article as the information given in the article is correct and is given from reliable sources (links are given below) that the actor is notable personality.
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Is there a policy or guideline against using multiple occupation, 'Known for' or indicating the organisation in the inbox or lead sentence of the biography of a living person with multiple occupation and notable for
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be like. As such, the deletion is likely to be endorsed as technically valid. But as I suggested above, the best thing to do would be to work on a great draft, come back here for approval to unprotect the
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as I normally do for articles that come here. (fwiw, I should probably just have nominated it for speedy and let some other admin delete, but I'm losing patience with promotionalism )
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included in the coaching article, if prosperity coaching is not included, is it not one of them or must it be included before linking to the general article on the subject?
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and also wiki pages has mentioned his part in the movies he has acted. The interview in a famous channel is also a good reference for more information on this actor.
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Everything linked, every time; Prosperity coach is linked as if we had an article on it, but the link is just a piped link to
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Apart from the past history of this article, DGG has not pointed out what is so critically wrong with the current contents:
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The Deletion discussion seems valid, but if an editor wants to work on the article they should be able to do so.
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any deletion by DGG as I am familiar with his high standards. This is no exception — it's an advertisement.
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to use AfC, but it can avoid the embarrassment of repeated trying to put articles like this in mainspace.
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And apart from perception, can someone else tell me how this cautiously toned and properly referenced
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Blatant misuse of Knowledge for promotional purposes; kill it with fire. Good decision by DGG there.—
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so interested editor(s) can work on the article for possible reintroduction in the future.
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Consider another attempt at addressing promotional tone concerns at the new revision—
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Is Randy Gage not an American author, prosperity coach and motivational speaker? —
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Consider an attempt at addressing promotional tone concerns at the new revision—
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Randy Gage is an American author, prosperity coach and motivational speaker.
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I don't think anyone is suggesting that you aren't capable of creating a
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Can you point out the references which "are essentially press releases"?
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documentary film maker, philanthropist, heir to a billionaire fortune
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state of the article, which looks solely promotional to me, too.
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To answer all the questions, simply re-review the discussions on
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was met but that does not preclude a fresh start being made.
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The article is a self-serving uncritical hagiography. It is
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Knowledge:Deletion review
Log
2013 October 15
Deletion review archives
2013 October
2013 October 17
16 October 2013
Randy Gage (prosperity coach)
IronGargoyle
talk
19:57, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
deletion review
Randy Gage (prosperity coach)
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
restore
WP:CSD#G11
User talk:DGG#Randy Gage
JOHNMOORofMOORLAND
talk
00:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
HERE!
JOHNMOORofMOORLAND
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18:50, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
DGG

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