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792:. This person is a billionaire and is clearly notable. It does appear that the article whitewashed some matters, but an article not being NPOV should not be a reason for deletion for notable people. NPOV and Notability are two different matters. Making an article more balanced is a lot more efficient than starting from scratch. People go to Knowledge to find information about notable people and expect to find articles on these people. Putting a NPOV template until an article is made more NPOV makes a lot more sense than hastily lighting AfD and delete torches. 513:
web content, not a film, and thus eligible (I did check, and the source was a Russian animation website). Ball of Wool, you're right, I thought it was web content because the sole source was again a Russian animation website, so I undeleted it, thanks for pointing out my error. Marc Dennis may or may not be notable, but this article was basically a PR bio. I don't have a problem with people reviewing these things though.
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problem sitting back and letting other people judge. I try not to feel ownership here. I saw the article as egregious puffery, others don't, that's fine. However, I might be a bit burned out after the Vipul business, so maybe it's time for a break from focusing on abuse of the wiki. That does tend to induce paranoia over time. I will go back to read-only for a while I think. That is usually the best way.
1015:. I'm not sure this needs to get dragged through the heavyweight DRV process (especially since the AfD was five years ago). Discussing it on the article talk pages and gaining consensus there seems like it would be sufficient, and certainly less administrative overhead. Be that as it may, I suggest that the best way forward would be to write the article in draft space (i.e. 180:
delete a page directly and in fact when its the case about a highly reputed person. If something was promotional he could have highlighted that section or could have informed the modifier to look after it. Page has more than 80+ highly reliable sources including Forbes and many other international and national level publishers. Please restore it.
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were met with terse non-helpful non-answers. Spam? Where? As a general rule, admins shouldn't take unilateral action to delete an article except in the most obvious circumstances, and this wasn't it. The community, not JzG, should have an opportunity to decide if deletion is justified. What justified
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deletion is overturned, that results in the article being sent back to AfD as part of the DRV closing action. In this case, however, I don't see a consensus to do that, so I'm just going to restore (and unprotect) the article. If somebody else wants to bring it to AfD, they are free to do so. – --
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Intralase SBK was an article on a commercial brand for a specific type of optical laser procedure, entirely written by two people who sell the treatment. The main sources for Countable included iTunes and Google stores. To You, Moscow, appears, from the tiny amount of text in the actual stub, to be
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User: SmokeyJoe is a veteran AfD participant. He indicates the article has new good sources. The AfD was close. There is no need for a draft in draftspace. User: SmokeyJoe is confident that the article will be turned into a good article immediately. The creator of the article Rich Hickey is the
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Well, the issue is that has been an outbreak of spamming - the article below was written by a PR person about a book authored by a friend of his and who he promoted widely on Knowledge, and DGG concurs that it's spam, so I don't think it's at all reasonable to conflate the two. But I don't have a
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I think 'pitchforks' is unnecessarily inflammatory. JzG has another DRV open on this page for a similar G11 deletion, just two days ago. Trends in poor administrator tool use are best addressed directly and promptly, and in a factual manner, focusing like you just did on the difference between
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This page is about one of the richest billionaire in India. Suddenly the user @jzg put it to speedy deletion under G11 policy. We are requesting continuously for a justifiable reason from him but most of the time he is not replying and if he replies its all a dismissive response. How can someone
809:- I had stated in the AfD that the article has problems but should be kept--my opinion has not changed here. The article is still in need of cleanup and needs to be closely watched for the re-addition of hagiographic content, but the article in its current state is not G11 material. -- 531:
Try to remember that a conflict of interest is not sufficient reason to delete an article. Thanks for correcting, but in the future please avoid unilateral deletions like this. And when you are asked to explain on your talk page, please reply with details and civility for a change.
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Highly preferable to burning out! Been there, started seeing everything as vandalism... Be sure to go do something you enjoy, rather than needing to 'protect the wiki'--it's good to feel pride in ownership, but bad to let the vandals steal your joy.
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expected and actual processes. This is not ANI or RFArb, but rather a forum in which feedback is focused on getting the outcome and process right. I know firsthand what DRV pitchforks look like, and these aren't them. Cheers,
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as an open and shut case of ineligibility, considering it survived an AFD. But I don't see any indication that this was anything other than a minor and correctable error, lets put the torches and pitchforks down shall we?
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That's just from a brief look. I know JzG has been combatting articles from a particular band of paid editors, but these (especially the A7 ones above) don't seem to have been deleted for any valid reason.
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as G11 is not a speedy criterion applicable to previously-kept articles. The plethora of inappropriate speedy deletions is concerning, especially from an administrator whom we all know knows better.
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which meets Knowledge’s notability standards. The editor has a good track record so let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that the article will be improved and have good sourcing.
1019:) and then start a discussion of it (either here, or on the talk pages). If there's a concrete article for people to look at and evaluate, it'll be easier to gain consensus. -- 482:- deleted as G11 without nomination or explanation, not unambiguously promotional but needs cleanup; I would have moved this to draft space instead of unilaterally deleting it. 334: 264:
has unilaterally speedy-deleted a fully-fleshed out and well-sourced article without explanation, nomination, or review. His responses to polite requests for explanation
378:- deleted as G11 without nomination or explanation, COI but not unambiguously promotional, and likely notable, although it has one edit from a confirmed paid editor. 1038:
didn't show much independent notability, but there's no harm in creating a new draft and submitting it, especially as some extra sources appear to have surfaced.
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should know far better than this, and the non-response is unjusifiable. 'm wondering if they continue to hold the community's trust as an administrator?
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how did you figure out that it was written by a PR person and his relation with the author of the book and all. Really didn't get your weird logic
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was a mistake, and that in light of additional notable work by Mr. Hickey, it is appropriate to have a page that references not just his work on
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The deleted page was not "exclusively promotional", and the deleted page did not "need to be fundamentally rewritten to conform with
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Agreed. The article has a couple of instances of promotional language which can easily be fixed. This isn't a case of
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Additional sources added to Talk page, though there are more out there to be sure. In addition, he is the creator of
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Not really a G11, as it survived an AFD debate. It could be sent to AFD again, but G11 no longer applies. -
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is the best solution given that the sources need to be evaluated in terms of their reliability.
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page. I am not a frequent wikipedia contributor, but I feel that merging and redirecting to
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Opinions are divided between restoring directly and creating a draft first for review. –
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I have the same view here as the one I expressed regarding JzG's speedy deletion of
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the hurry? It isn't all that hard to put a db-g11 or afd template on an article. ~
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Temp undeleted, but it reads as really promotional - and thus as a G11 candidate.
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Knowledge:Criteria for speedy deletion#G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion
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notes, the criteria for speedy deletion "specify the only cases in which
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and the content could plausibly be replaced with text that complies with
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I'm wondering about that myself. Glancing through JzG's logs, I find:
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that he deleted as A7, but A7 doesn't apply to films.
1034:. I closed this AfD nearly 6 years ago - the 8: 756:, so the speedy deletion must be overturned. 881:The following is an archived debate of the 104:The following is an archived debate of the 78:Overwhelming/unanimous consensus here that 844: 294:Knowledge:Articles for deletion/Balkrishna 63: 735:Knowledge:Criteria for speedy deletion 784:5000 crore company Patanjali Ayurved. 724:, this is preferable to deletion. ... 7: 669:. Probably should be redirected to 1113:of the page listed in the heading. 1089:the creator of Knowledge’s article 833:of the page listed in the heading. 787:. & in news not just for that. 292:. It was previously kept at AfD - 28: 708:promotional and would need to be 688:Selfish Reasons to Have More Kids 82:did not apply. 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Index

Knowledge:Deletion review
Log
2017 April 14
Deletion review archives
2017 April
2017 April 16
15 April 2017
Balkrishna
WP:G11
WP:CSD
RoySmith
(talk)
12:11, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
deletion review
Balkrishna
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
restore
Didgeri
talk
07:48, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Jo-Jo Eumerus
talk
contributions
08:02, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
Bilby

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