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291:, all the SPA accounts should have indicated something is amiss, the mention of substantial coverage by major press should not be ignored, the history of PAID and COI editing in order to whitewash or delete the article indicates more care should be taken evaluating the AfD, and even the most basic attempt at checking shows the subject is notable. -- 731:(no prejudice to Vacate) Now that I've seen the article itself, I'm beyond shocked at how this AFD was closed. Many of the references in the article easily met GNG. Both Keep votes noted that it had good references, while the deletes argue the opposite. But really - I only looked at four, and three meet GNG: 703:
adding this very late in the DRV discussion, but we could just pretend this incredibly odd AfD never happened. There were very few participants who seemed like they are acting in good faith, including the nominator, and the remaining votes would be a no consensus or relist. A relist would benefit the
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5 delete votes were cast. One incorrectly applies SNOW. Two claim a general lack of any sources, but as per this discussion, 34 sources had been included in the article. That leaves us at only two relevant delete votes, which claim that only the companies have notability. In fact, they are repeats of
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about a digital media company. Any consensus which relies on these is going to be deeply suspect. The article had plenty of references to decent-looking media sources, some of which are obviously mainly about the subject, and I would have expected delete comments to present some kind of analysis of
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OK, this is a very weird AfD. The nominator, appellant (at least initially), and one delete voter copied their rationales from the previous AfD, and 3 of the delete voters seem to be SPAs that might be sockpuppetry (won't make a SPI though, leaving that to someone else if they want). I also have my
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It doesn't work like that, I'm afraid. Uploading a copyrighted image to Peanuts Wiki, or any other site which makes its content available under a free licence, doesn't automatically make it available under a free licence. The original copyright still applies. This sketch was done by
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sources do not address the subject directly without any source analysis presented, I'm not seeing how the arguments were adequately weighed based on their merits. I see no benefit in immediately relisting if there is a current coordinated effort to remove its contents, in light of
400:. The deletion process has not been followed correctly, in that the closer failed to give appropriate (low) weight to delete arguments that were from very new accounts or that cited WP:SNOW, which manifestly did not apply either at the time of deletion or at any other time. 183:
Woah woah woah, calm down. Accusing people of whitewashing isn't doing anything. (That close was def ridiculous though. I was in the middle of an IAR unclose when you posted this to DRV, but since process is process and you beat me to it I'll let this run it's course.)
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There appear to be numerous in-depth sources in the deleted article, which most can't see, because the article is deleted. Can the article please be temporarily restored? Hipal doesn't do themselves any favour by turning a simple routine request into a rant.
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Something very hinky here. The SNOW votes are bizarre - both the keep and the deletes. The number of low-edit contributions is concerning. The lack of policy-related arguments. Need a thorough SPI check too, and a wider participation in the AFD.
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SPIs and a no consensus is probably correct, but I think vacating is a stronger result - I have no idea if he's notable, but a no consensus sort of implies notability is marginal, when we should be implying this was just a bad AfD.
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Great, create-protection then. After all, if the hypothetical aforementioned respected editor does present a case for deletion, that's easy enough to action. But our priority should be not to have our time wasted like this.
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I've done a temporary undelete, however there isn't much point as this discussion becomes eligible for closure very soon and the deletion will almost certainly be overturned when it's closed.
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Another attempt to whitewash the article by deletion by a bunch of SPA accounts. Jain is notable many times over as shown by the many high-quality references that cover him in great depth.
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suspicions against one other !delete in the AfD. With these suspicions, I don't think there is a true strong consensus to delete, and a relist to get more opinions is needed.
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might apply to Peanutswiki's use but a) "might" is not "certainly" and b) Knowledge is much stricter with fair use rules. In which article did you want to use it?
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as this is worked out because of the extremely troubling problems around this, and the need to reference the article to demonstrate how deep the problems go. --
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That a well-established, well-written, well-referenced, well-reviewed article was deleted due to paid editors making vacuous deletion arguments. --
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And right on schedule, a new SPA has appeared to create a new article whitewashed of the original content--
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It does not appear that there was enough knowledgeable editors commenting to reach any consensus. --
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There is a substantial history of whitewashing attempts by employees and family members of Jain. --
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This and other files were speedily deleted as copyright infringement, but they were from the
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I agree with this, and as of right now there are more users that agree it should be deleted.
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Not to disparage your counting abilities, but I see only two editors who opined to delete. โ€”
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I just realized I never did any proper !voting.. so, for the record, I'm all for
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All the socks slept long enough to be well past the autoconfirmed speedbump. โ€”
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voted to keep it. Including the nominator, that makes 6 to 2, for deletion.
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at AfD to generate a less scuffed consensus. (Maybe not overturn, though.)
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these sources, but instead they either made general statements or cited
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File:Only known sketch of the Little Red-Haired Girl by Schulz.webp
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I do not speak for the original editor; but I would guess
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and later deleted as purely promotional at 18:16 by
447:. There are multiple delete votes that reference 262:Note as closing admin: The deletion consensus at 649:Since this hasn't been mentioned here so far, 8: 830:The following is an archived debate of the 88:The following is an archived debate of the 797: 63: 508:Requesting immediate, temporary undelete 382:(which is clearly not applicable here). 74:โ€“ Tainted AFD discussion cannot stand 7: 1022:of the page listed in the heading. 786:of the page listed in the heading. 989:Little Red-Haired Girl#Inspiration 28: 1018:The above is an archive of the 782:The above is an archive of the 266:was clear. 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Knowledge:Deletion review
Log
2022 February 23
Deletion review archives
2022 February
2022 February 25
24 February 2022
Naveen Jain
Spartaz
09:15, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
deletion review
Naveen Jain
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
XfD
restore
Hipal
talk
02:42, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
casualdejekyll
02:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Hipal
talk
02:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
WP:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_21#Naveen_Jain
WP:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard/Archive_46#Naveen_Jain

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