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2319:: the "free" images check out fine. Eric M. Ryan's photos are licensed with the OTRS, and for the exterior stadium shot, Marc Averette is associated with his user name here. The "non-free" logo is the sticking point. I would prefer a defining moment of the match to be the identifying picture&mdashlthe winning touchdown, a terrifying injury, a brilliant catch, a picture that is heavily reported and touted in the media. The trademarked, copyrighted logo as an identifying picture is rather overused, leading to arguments and contentions till there was an 1272:- This article is a perfect example of how even a great formula can be further refined. Although it's been less than two months since the game, I think it's the best article in JK's series so far, with the lone exception of that one table. My original theory was that it was due to its left placement (left-sided photos below level 3 section headers cause accessibility problems), but moving it to the right didn't help at all. Despite that, I think the rest of the article is FA-worthy, so I won't withhold support. It does concern me somewhat, though. 1870:"The official reported attendance was 53,927, but this number came from the number of tickets sold, and the actual attendance in the stadium—measured by admittance turnstiles—was 27,360, the lowest ever recorded for an ACC football championship game." For the sake of flow, I think that this should be split into two sentences. 978:
Thanks for the review. I typically throw the college football link in the lede as a guide for non-American readers who might stumble across the article. Sure, anyone who doesn't know what college football is isn't likely to be searching for an individual game, but I'd rather throw it in there just in
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If you can find a source, I think it merits inclusion. I looked briefly, but couldn't find one. I think it might be important because it was a direct-effect of the game's results: If BC had won, they would have gone to the first-tier ACC game automatically. Since they lost they fell to the (tied for)
344:"...gave the Eagles a 2–1 conference record, and they appeared to be destined for an easy bid to the ACC championship game." With only three games completed (and only two wins), why did it appear like an easy bid to the ACCCG? They still had five games remaining, were they all against heavy underdogs? 107:
in particular. I've used the link-checker and disambiguation-page tools to check for problems, and these have been fixed. The citations are uniformly formatted, and the prose is as clear as I can make it without more outside input. I look forward to seeing what issues and problems you can find, and I
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Well, the Music City Bowl has a smaller payout and reaches a smaller television audience than any of the alternative destinations Boston College could have been selected by. In addition, it has a shorter history than the alternatives and is seen generally as a less prestigious destination for all of
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Fourth quarter: "The fumble was again recovered by Boston College linebacker Heinzerlich and Boston College's offense returned to the field." Did we mention when this guy previously recovered a fumble? I don't even see his first name anywhere. There is a "Herzlich" in the Eagles' defense; is there a
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I wouldn't rely on bleacherreport to justify any facts, but in this case, the reference is just being used to back up the assertion that people were calling the regular season "crazy". If you don't like that cite, another source is citing the same thing, but from a media (instead of fan) viewpoint.
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According to the ACC tiebreaker rules, "If two or more teams are tied with the highest percentage of wins, they shall be declared division co-champions." Thus, BC/FSU and VT/GT were division co-champions. The tie-breaker rules are simply to decide who appears in the ACCCG to represent each division
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In the Boston College offense para: As of the 2008 season, there are 120 Division I FBS teams, not 119. This is still misquoted in some media outlets (as I imagine is the case in the print news article cited), but Western Kentucky was promoted starting in 2008, bringing the total to 120. (see here
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There's a small degree of inconsistency in the way teams are referred. You use the full "Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets" and "North Carolina Tar Heels", but shortened school form "Notre Dame" and "Kent State", and then the full school name "East Carolina University." I would recommend using the short
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In the predictions for the ACCCG, you mention Clemson losing to "eventual No. 1 Alabama." People at the time didn't think much of Alabama, though, and as a result thought Clemson was a lot worse than they really. That may merit a mention (if you or I can find an adequate citation), as losing to an
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In the post-game effects: Can you expand upon the bowl game selections. Obviously, VT got an automatic berth in the BCS game. But, BC fell to the 5th-pick Music City Bowl despite being the ACC runners-up. In my opinion, (of course we'll need to find a citation) this is due to a perception of BC's
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I didn't think it was exceptionally good or exceptionally bad ... IMHO, that's something that belongs in the main Virginia Tech football section rather than this subsection because it's something that defines the team, rather than the season of which this game was a part. Now, if you think it's
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form of the school name in initial references and then the short school form alternating with the nickname where stylistic variation is needed (like use in the same sentence, for example). But since its just stylistic, I think any form you go with would be acceptable as long as its consistent.
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In the paragraph addressing the games history, you refer to teams which make their first appearance as "new" teams. To me, so soon after describing three teams joining the conference (VT, Miami, and BC), it seems to imply that those were teams actually new to the conference. Wake Forest was a
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Double right. I have no idea where I got "Heinzerlich" from, but Herzlich did have a fumble recovery at the beginning of the fourth quarter. Doesn't look as if I put his name in for that one, so I'll take out the "again". With it in there, it makes it sound as if he recovered the same fumble
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The idea was to use it as a transition sentence between that section and the section before it. The debates about the site of the game began before Virginia Tech won the 2007 game, an event described in the previous section. The events overlap chronologically, if not in
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I'm not sure ... I've always been under the impression that bowl games were the start of the postseason in college football. I definitely can see it the other way, though. If you think it should be the other way around, I'd be happy to change it. I can go either way, I
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The BC coaching changes section: I'm not opposed to its inclusion, but I think it needs to be made explicit why this was related to the ACCCG. Could it be because Jagodzinski surprised everyone with his team's performance in the season, which resulted in the NFL
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I'm trying to get that exception changed ... I really, really, really, really hate that exception to the general rule that you spell out numbers nine and under and use numerals for 10 and over. I don't know why I hate it so much -- it's irrational, but I just
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I've tucked it in that section, but it doesn't look quite as nice any more, since it now juts into the Boston College section and has to be separated with a wide spread of white space. It may look a little better with a different screen resolution, though.
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Current ref 60 (Rudie, Preston...) has a last access date and from the publisher it appears to be a website, but no link. It go missing? Also, what makes this a reliable source? (I'll go ahead and ask before I see the link, just based off the name of the
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In the statistical recap, is "profligate" the right term? Would prolific be more appropriate? If not, I think you should explain why it was reckless. Was it because of the two interceptions? Lack of down conversions? Easier reads by the opposing
720:- The JKBrooks series of bowl game articles has become something that I always look forward to seeing at FAC. As the pages continue to become more refined, I'm struggling to find issues. There are some below, but my support isn't that far away. 1078:"Rather than run a play, Boston College elected to run out the clock with Virginia Tech leading, 14-7." They actually did run a play, for a one-yard loss. I'm guessing they just downed the ball, but saying they didn't run a play isn't accurate. 446:
WKU has been "in transition" since 2007 and won't be eligible for bowls until next season when they join the Sun Belt. But I'm pretty sure they are considered FBS. I've seen them usually lumped in with the other FBS independents (like here at
2144:- I'm having trouble following the chronology, and the significance of the first part of the sentence. Did this process take place before the 2007 Championship Game, or is there some event at which a team is declared champion? 1382:"The game was sponsored by Dr. Pepper and was the final regular-season contest of the " The "was ... was" repetition is distracting. Maybe: "The game, sponsored by Dr. Pepper, was the final regular-season contest of the..." 460:
Does "Beamer Ball" deserve a mention in the team comparison section? Most people agree that compiling non-offensive scores is a major aspect of Beamer's strategy. How did VT do on special teams and defensive scoring this
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articles I've submitted to FAC. I feel it is well-written, understandable, adequately cited, and uses appropriate images with necessary licenses. I've incorporated suggestions given in previous FACs of similar articles,
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I'm all done now, though I'm sure Dabomb can find more things to fix in his concurrent review. Left a note on the template above as well. It looks great overall, and I'll be ready to support when these are done.
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the "eventual No. 1". Trying to clarify what people thought at the time would've taken too much prose to be worthwhile, and leaving it in there makes the loss sound better than it was, so it's easier to remove
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I think the term "extreme parity" might be redundant. Parity seems to me to mean equality, so gradations of it seem a bit contradictory. Might I suggest use of "extremely close," "closely contested," or simply
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Are championship games considered part of the regular season? I would be led to believe they are not, as the results do not affect the teams' conference records... I am unsure either way and may be mistaken,
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Attendance concerns: "To mitigate the problems seen in Jacksonville the year nrgotr". I see many fairly exotic words while reviewing, but the last word here is probably the most exotic I've seen so far. :-)
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In the BC paragraph: "raced to a 9–7 halftime lead." Seems overly emotional use of the verb, and also inappropriate as I don't think nine points in a half could be considered as racing to score repeatedly.
1533:"In the annual preseason poll of media covering the ACC" A bit vague; did the poll cover the ACC or was it the media that covered the ACC. The noun + -ing construction ("media covering") is a bit awkward. 291:
founding member and Georgia Tech joined in the 70s, so that seems a little misleading. Can you change it somehow to indicate that these were teams making their "first appearance" rather than "new teams"?
542:(from last year, but gives historical perspective): "...Boston College this week, a historically shoddy track record of fan travel to bowl games -- a major consideration for selection committees..." 583:
I've been looking for a citation that explains exactly that. ... Haven't had any luck, though. I'll keep working at it, and will keep adding to the post-game effects section as events develop. The
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I think a one- or two-sentence mention is warranted, as this happened as a direct result of this game. So I think it is one of the more important "post-game effects." These references might help:
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necessary to understand the game, I can add something in there. My initial thought with these games is to leave it out because it's something that defines the team, rather than a season or game.
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article rather than this one. Do you think it's necessary to talk about it? I do agree that more should be written about the bowl games, and have added results and other information.
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fanbase traveling poorly. There is actually an NCAA rule called the "Boston College rule" or something to that effect, which ensures that teams don't fall too far in bowl selection.
1975:"Taylor then threw an incomplete pass, then the Hokies were penalized 10 yards for holding, pushing them back to the 31-yard line." "then ... then". They are really not necessary. 955:
That will do for now, but I'll be back in the next day or two for more. Before I go, why is there a Commons link for college football? That seems to be too general for the topic.
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In the fourth paragraph of the lead you use "Tech quarterback Tyrod Taylor" twice, I think the part saying he was MVP you could simply use "Taylor" or "Virginia Tech's Taylor."
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No comments on the actual match part of the article due to my inability to fathom the ins and outs of American football matches, but some comments on the preceding parts:
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I under stand Strikehold's view, and it does seem a bit unnecessary (considering that this is an American subject), but all the same, playing on the safe side doesn't hurt.
2343:#1 and #8. The solution is simple, write a stronger rationale that can explain why this logo is instrumental to the 2008 ACC Championship or remove it from the article. 2101:- from looking at their respective articles, the teams both formed in 1892, so "new to the Championship game" must be the intended meaning, but it is ambiguous as written. 1036:
Second quarter: "Facing third down and needing 20 yards for a first down". It was a third-and-19, according to the reference. I could tell because the math doesn't add up.
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In the places I used the long form of the name, it's because I referred to the teams as the "Yellow Jackets" or "Tar Heels" later in the sentence or in the next sentence.
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A stylistic gripe, but you use "lightly regarded" three times by my count. I would favor cutting its use to once and instead using a more common term like "underdog."
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The images need to be linked from Wikimedia Commons instead of Knowledge (XXG), and I have no idea how to do that, since they both have the same image name on each.
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Pre-game buildup: "with various betting organizations either favoring Boston College by a single point or having no spread at all." Noun-plus-ing for the third time.
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Before Virginia Tech was declared the 2007 ACC football champion, cities other than Jacksonville (site of the 2007 ACC Championship Game) presented their plans...
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I have a few comments, mostly related to minor stylistic improvements or minor requests for clarification. Once these are addressed, I think it will meet FAC 1–4.
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Boston College coaching changes: "to interview for the vacant head coaching position at the National Football League's New York Jets." Change "at" to "of"?
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Boston College: "Against the Georgia Tech". Little glitch there. And find a better word to start a sentence than "But", which begins the next sentence.
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Statistical summary: Can the one-sentence paragraph at the end be moved into the first paragraph of the section? It looks a little lonely down there.
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Check the capitalization of "ACC championship game" a couple times in the section. Please do the same for division and Division, which I see later.
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that had no concensus. Ignoring that, the logo if used as an identifying image should convince us of its purpose as that, and not because it is "
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There needs to be a key and accompanying symbols for the standings table. What do the shadings for Virginia Tech and Boston College represent?
239:"Never relinquished the lead or allowed a tie." I think "never relinquished the lead" is sufficient as allowing a tie would relinquish a lead. 144:(all issues have been addressed) – Excellent article, very in-depth and well-cited throughout. Nicely laid out and makes good use of images. 2078:- maybe its my lack of familiarity with US sports vernacular, but "matches" seems imprecise. Would "is contested between" be an improvement? 1155:
Postgame effects: The two monetary figures need non-breaking spaces, like this (hit edit button to see where to put code): $ 17.5 million.
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That's: "the vacant head coaching position at the... New York Jets." I think either "at" or "of" work there. "With" would work as well.
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Not in the US, which it is from context. ABC is common knowledge in the US usage and, in my opinion, doesn't really warrant expansion.
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Beat me to it. Non-essential elements (can be removed without changing the meaning of the phrase) should be cordoned off by commas.
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Hm, I've seen both styles in formal prose. Anyway, you are the sports editor, and you are probably right. Disregard that comment.
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Third quarter: "and the Boston College Eagles were forced to punt after going three and out." Is the full team name really needed?
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It's cutting the "(Pregame) ACC Standings" header so I can't see the bottom. It's on the top of the table, which is really odd.
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Is anyone else having this problem? I haven't been able to reproduce it, and I'd hate to have someone else be affected by it.
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I think I mentioned in one of your previous FACs about comparable quantities being written out the same, a couple examples:
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I've tried to outflank some of the problems by removing the shading and using bolded text instead. Does that work for you?
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First quarter (long gap between problems!): "where the Hokies' offense began the first play of the game." Somewhat awkward.
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I'm not sure ... that seems a little verbose. Does the confusion stem from the British English term of a "football match"?
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Probably just a Br. Eng / Am. Eng thing. To me "match" in a sporting context is a synonym for "game", rather than "pair".
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eventual late-season No. 1 and SEC championship team shouldn't in itself upset predictions for a spot in the ACCCG.
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Noun-plus-ing in the lead: "with both teams punting after their opening possessions failed to gain a first down."
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The rationale is sufficient for identification, the image issue as stated above for this article is resolved.
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Also think the fact that this was a re-match of the previous year's ACCCG merits mention somewhere in the lead.
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Then it would be simpler to start the sentence with something like "Before the 2007 ACC Championship game..."
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The ACC standings chart, while a great original idea, looks weird for me. The header is cut in half for me.
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Link added. It's a TV news channel in Tampa Bay, the site of the game. I just forgot to add the link to it.
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I think the table above "Team selection" creates an accessibility problem (should be within the section).
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One problem I am noticing is the usage of unnecessary commas before the introduction of game scores:
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I don't know if you have done this already, but change it on the previous ACC championsip articles.
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Thanks for the great review. Let me know what you decide for the areas we've got questions about.
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Virginia Tech: The Kansas Jayhawks link goes to the 2008 team; shouldn't it go to the 2007 team?
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Team selection: Another noun-plus-ing: "with the two teams meeting in the championship game."
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It appears as if someone has updated the images. Many thank yous to whomever did that!
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I knuckled down and changed them. I don't have to like it ... I just have to do it. ;)
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Yeah. I had hoped to create a paragraph about records set, but decided against it.
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It's a part of greater Boston, at least according to the article on the subject.
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Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool.
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Okay. As long as you have applied a consistent system to it, I'm satisfied.
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look forward to fixing them. Thanks for your time, and have a great day!
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The Eagles opened the season by traveling to lightly regarded Kent State
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The scores are optional clauses, so they need to be set off by commas.
1377:) Excellent article, I notice that your prose has improved a lot too! 1231:
Reference 41 needs a publisher. I recommend the method used in ref 12.
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Gotcha. Thanks for the links and the suggestion. They've been added.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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Title sponsor, television broadcaster, and the name of the event
2234:. Another well written and comprehensive article by JKBrooks85. 2123:- the reference makes no mention of the game being hard-fought. 2363:. I have updated the non-free criteria as best as I know how. 641: 2121:
A hard-fought game resulted in a 30–16 Virginia Tech victory
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Heh. That'll teach me to keep my hands on the home row!
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I swear, this table keeps getting uglier. 1089:. Changed it to "rather than try to score". 637:What makes the following reliable sources? 373:Interesting! I didn't know that. It's been 18:Knowledge (XXG):Featured article candidates 799:Yes, at least for me. That's a weird one. 394:one usage with underdog and wikilinked it. 1174:Perhaps link the Southeastern Conference? 1055:"Taylor scrambled on third down, gaining 1541:I added "by". Let me know if that helps. 354:"easy". That's an opinion word, anyway. 2051:Changes have been made. 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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Featured article candidates
featured article nomination
Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured article candidates
Raul654

2008 ACC Championship Game
JKBrooks85
talk
Atlantic Coast Conference football championship games
featured topic
college football
2003 Insight Bowl
2007 ACC Championship Game
JKBrooks85
talk
05:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Strikehold
talk
15:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Strikehold
talk
15:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
WP:LEAD
ACC standings talk page

ESPN
2008 Music City Bowl
2008 ACC bowl selection process
Wapo
Yahoo/Rivals.com

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