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762:, been a while! No, even when you were more active plot sections were implicitly sourced to the game itself; plot citations to game quotes are nice, but optional. I don't have a transcript of the game (I worked out the plot by skimming through lets play videos), so I don't have an easy way of getting game quotes for optional referencing. If you know of one, let me know and I'll add some. -- 191:
is way too long an interruption to the first sentence. The lay person shouldn't have to read two lines of alternatives, translations and transliterations of the title before he finds out that this article is about a video game. You should either trim it or relegate it to a footnote. I wonder if the
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Well, to clarify: the "source review", which is to do with formatting/reliability of citations/sources, is something we like to see carried out on every FAC (like the image licensing review), whereas the "source spotcheck", meaning to check some of the sources for accurate use and avoidance of
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Story subsection, "a mysterious man garbed in black appears and attempts to take the Holy Sword, which is still stuck in the ground, but finds that it is protected by a barrier. The man disappears, and the hero takes the Holy Sword,..." How did the hero get through the barrier? Did the barrier
817:, you guys are the best! Good to know about the plot stuff, if I come across a game manual I might offer it or add it myself, but no biggie, looks Featured Article ready. I cannot wait for a Mana series Featured Topic, I always wanted to see it happen :) 845:
raised above: is there no way to provide a source for the "Story" section? I'll admit I'm not too familiar with the style of video game articles, so I'm happy to be educated on that point. Have others passed FA recently with similarly uncited sections?
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In the lead, the coding for the cover art uses of brackets and resolution for the cover art instead of using the image directly doesn't appear to be the current form. I suppose changing it is optional, but it would look both consistent and
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articles up to GA+, I've recently gotten this to GA, and a month ago tried to send this through FAC. The general response was... crickets, so two weeks later I'm trying again. Hopefully two times is the charm! Thanks for reviewing!
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Sorry this took so long to actually review this article. Any who, reading through the article, I think the article is sourced well enough and written throughly on the subject to give it that little bronze star. I can give a
301:"When the Mana Lord is about to kill the hero, a group of gems appear around him to prevent his attack." I was going to copy-edit this, but need some clarification. Do the gems appear around the hero or the Mana Lord? 73: 68: 289:
In the Gameplay section, it says "The player controls the unnamed main character, chosen from one of four options." However, in the Setting and characters subsection, it says "The four major characters of
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originally released in Japan as Seiken Densetsu DS: Children of Mana (Japanese: 聖剣伝説DS CHILDREN of MANA Hepburn: Seiken Densetsu DS: Chirudoren obu Mana?, lit. "Legend of the Sacred Sword DS: Children of
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Swapped out the image source with the Amazon.com listing for the game by Nintendo, which uses an identical image; made a new webcitation archive link for that ref and verified that it worked. --
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plagiarism or close paraphrasing, is something we generally only require for a nominator's first FAC, and then on the odd occasion subsequently -- we never discourage them though! Cheers,
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its candidacy. One small point, and I may not be up to date with our current best practices on this, but shouldn't the plot section have references? Awesome job overall, never stop!
304:"At the end of the Path, the hero finds the Mana Lord waiting. Upon his defeat, the Mana Lord..." I assume the hero and the Mana Lord battled here, but that's completely left out. -- 214:
That unwieldy template is standard for Japanese video games, even FAs, but I've now moved it to a footnote and I think it does work better that way. I've also added that the DS is a
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OK, that makes sense. Sources look good to me, then. Note to coordinators: I have not done spotchecks. If these are required, let me know, and I'll do some. --
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Those are the only things that jumped out. Sorry it's not any longer, but I seriously can't think of anything else that hasn't been mentioned above. --
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The references are all formatted consistently and correctly, and appear to be reliable, as far as I can tell. My only question is the same as
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Hey, I suspect you forgot about this. Instead of a full review, could you do an image or source review? I think this nom needs that more. --
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Note to FAC delegates- Tezero reviewed this at the last FAC, and supported there; this support is just a carry-through of that one. --
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As for sources, I did some quick checks on sources used for gameplay to make sure that they match up, and that seems to be the case.
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I've gone through the article and made some copy-edits where I saw necessary. Have just a few points before I'm willing to support:
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How did I miss that? Well, now you have two source reviews. I'll make a note on the list so you don't end up with three! --
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The barrier only appears to block the man when he grabs for the sword; no such barrier appears to block the hero. Reworded.
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to revitalize a series of video games that had produced what many felt were some of the best RPGs ever made for the SNES-
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Adjusted both (also got rid of the Nintendo DS category in favor of the Nintendo DS RPG category, by the same logic. --
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I don't think the "Role-playing video games introduced in 2006" and "2006 video games" should be used together.
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I definitely did forget, haha. An image/source review would be a lot less time-consuming for me right now.
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All right, sources are fine, images are fine, and having read it, I have no problems with the content.
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The cover image lists tru.com as a source, but I can't personally verify that it comes from there.
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One last thing I've noticed: The RPGamer reference is lacking its publisher. The publisher is
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has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see
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Changed to "the hero"; it shouldn't have been gender-specific anyways
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are Ferrik, Tamber, Poppen, and Wanderer." Are those not their names?
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Made a few more copy-edits. All of my issues have been addressed. I
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got only middling reviews. As a part of my drive to get all of the
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Of all the sources, I did find one archive that was broken - the
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Responded below your comments, tried to fix all four issues. --
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Knowledge (XXG):Featured article candidates
Children of Mana
Children of Mana
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