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3683:"The bog turtle lives out its life almost exclusively in the wetland where it hatched. In its natural environment, the bog turtle has a maximum lifespan of 50 years, although an average lifespan is 20-30 years. The turtles tend to live longer in captivity where they are protected from many of the natural and man-made hazards they would encounter in the wild. The Bronx Zoo houses several turtles 35 years old or more, the oldest known bog turtles." How can we know that they tend to live longer in captivity if in the wild they could potentially life 50 years, and the oldest in captivity are around 35 years of age? I know what you mean—I work with exotic wildlife. The statements are not very clear. Also, I looked at the source for the first statement (ref #37), and it says "perhaps 50 years or longer", which is different than saying a "maximum lifespan of 50 years." Please clarify and correct these sentences. 5421:, and I agree that many (not all) of the omissions that Ucucha has listed on the talk page should be included in this article. Things like egg size, clutch size, details about behaviour, parasites, etc. are important aspects of the turtle's biology, and if the information is out there (conveniently summarized for us in the recent secondary source), then the Knowledge article can't really claim to be "comprehensive" and "well-researched" without mentioning these aspects. That being said, this article is coming along nicely, and the extraordinary level of editor involvement in this FAC will mean that the final product will indeed be an example of our "very best work". 5442:, I think we agree. My apologies for the mis-use of "primary", when describing the source; I was referring to "main" not intended to imply that it was "original research". A poor choice of terms on my part. I suspect that the text in question albeit a secondary source does little to summarize the primary research on which it was based - it simply restates it. For example a detailed listing of gut analysis from a randomly selected group of turtles specific to a certain location is absurd. They consume primarily insects supplememted with berries, but to suggest that in New Jersey, in August a turtle's gut analysis showed an elevated level of June Bugs - seriously. 335:* The bog turtle lives out its life almost exclusively in the wetland where it hatched. It has a life span of 20–30 years, although many do not live that long. The turtles have a higher life expectancy in captivity, where they are protected from many of the natural and man-made hazards encountered in the wild. The Bronx Zoo's on-display population contains several individuals 35 years old or more, the oldest known bog turtles. The Zoo's population of bog turtles has successfully sustained itself for more than 35 years. 5468:. The information Sasata mentioned should definitely be included, especially if covered in a secondary source. But if Ucucha or I point out a heavily detailed primary source, please browse over the article and look for the highlights. I've had to do that many times with the lemur articles both Ucucha and Sasata have reviewed. Sometimes a complex research articles can be covered in a single sentence. For example, "Studies in 5390: 1011:"Successions that are caused by humans have engendered the eradication of bog turtles from areas where they would normally survive." -- A bit confusing; do you mean human-caused acceleration of succession reduce the time that the habitat is suitable for turtles, or that successional stages resulting from human activity are unsuitable for turtles in some other way? 2763:{{Cite journal | last = Lovich | first = J. E. | last2 = Herman | first2 = D. W. | last3 = Fahey | first3 = K. M. | title = Seasonal activity and movements of bog turtles (''Clemmys muhlenbergii'') in North Carolina | journal = Copeia | volume = 1992 | issue = 4 | pages = 1107–1111 | year = 1992 | jstor = 1446649 }}</ref: --> 5480:

about this species." We don't need to know the full details, especially since we have the citation. But it does tell the reader that studies concerning this topic have been done and that more information is available. To give a more specific example, in one of the sources I listed above, I believe

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from which the concerns are generated serves as a guide for other experts, which in some cases is intended to encourage additional research for verification; it is not for those seeking a general understanding of this turtle. It is not advisable to emulate its contents in this article, to do so would

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expertise and have read the primary source to which is the basis for his concerns over "omitted information". The discrepancy in our perspectives however are more philosophical, regarding what an encyclopedia is and is not. A general reference for even an advanced reader would not include most of the

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Ref. 1 and 15 are both newspapers. Under certain circumstances they are reliable; however, a biology article - not so much. I suspect this information can be easily linked to a more authoritative source. I'm personally not a big fan of the Animal Diversity Web site either (ref 16). The referencing of

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finally, sentence organization in some sections can be improved. For example, the first paragraph under Movement starts out talking about migratory movement, then daily movement, then migratory movement, then daily movement, then migratory movement again. Another example is the third paragraph under

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also, in the arrangement of phrases within a sentence, such as here: "The female digs a cavity and lays her eggs in grass tussock or on sphagnum moss, in dryer, sunny areas of a bog." This would read better if it were "The female digs a cavity in the dryer, sunny areas of a bog, and lays her eggs in

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It took some work, but these two sections ("Threats" and "Conservation") have been completely changed. I renamed the first "Natural threats," which, naturally, deals with the things found in nature that are a threat to the bog turtle. The "Conservation" section deals exclusively with human effects

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The source explicitly says "Age at sexual or reproductive maturity ... 4 to 10 years. It's in a box to the right of the text though, so maybe you were looking only at what the text says, which is "Growth rates can be rapid in the first few years but taper off as the turtle nears maturity, at an age

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It seems like there are some errors in the citation handling. I just looked at the second paragraph under "Evolutionary history" and noticed that the ref named "RosenbaumP1" includes multiple citations: {{Harvnb|Rosenbaum|2007|p=331}} and {{Harvnb|Rosenbaum|2007|p=337}} Each named ref needs to be

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We have two facts, one that says "Males move an average of 2.1 meters (6.9 ft) per day and females an average of 1.1 meters (3.6 ft)," and another that says "The vast majority of bog turtle movements are less than 21 meters (69 ft)."--These two things seem, at least to me, to make sense together.

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is to look at each suggestion carefully and discern whether it is essential for a general understanding or more suitable to those in field. Addressing every minutia on any subject is not the basis of FA status; in fact inclusion of excessive detail could as easily be problematic to reaching that

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Yes, some primary sources go a bit overboard on technical detail. However, it's worth reading the abstract, discussion, and conclusion for more mundane, yet useful, information. This article is talking about learning population structure. Even just a brief sentence about it would be useful.

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In scientific articles, use the units employed in the current scientific literature on that topic. This will usually be SI, but not always; for example, natural units are often used in relativistic and quantum physics, and Hubble's constant should be quoted in its most common unit of (km/s)/Mpc

4437:. I can't find anything negative to say here. It could maybe (emphasise "maybe") do with clarification on whether the conservation effort involves planting new colonies in sites identified as suitable or just improving the existing sites, which is the only thing that isn't clear to me. Plus, 4504:: My support here is explicitly on style grounds, and I know nothing about the accuracy of the article and am not in a position to judge; if Ucucha's concerns below aren't addressed then the support is retracted, as I trust his judgement regarding reliability of sources on biology topics. – 3463:

and lifespan in the same sentence, I've made them both the single word, but change them both to the two-word form if you prefer, just needs to be consistent. Note that you have a frmatting problem with the ref for this, ref 37, which is coming up as a cite error in the references section

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I tried this in several locations and turned up nothing. However, the webpage is a .org and it perfectly answers any taxonomic concerns. I don't know how to cite it however because there is no apparent author or...anything really. It would also address the concern directly below this

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They were interested in educating others about the bog turtle and in increasing its population, and they released many healthy bog turtles over the course of many years. Several organizations, such as the Association of Zoos and Aquariums, have been permitted to captively breed bog

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I don't think this is so unnecessary. Descriptions of colorations in animals often vary among sources, so it is critical to consult multiple sources to get a handle on what the consensus in the literature is; and if you do so, you should document that you used those sources.

4326:"The first specimen was scientifically identified in Pennsylvania in the 1700s and is the smallest North American turtle, measuring about 10 centimeters (4 in) long when fully grown." Long sentence. I suggest breaking out the size-related phrases into their own sentence. 1582:

Since it's only one sentence it would be best to merge it into another section; "Habitat", behind the list of plants it's found with, would work (though it'd be a bit odd), or you could rename "Diet" to something like "Interspecific interactions" and put it there. --

747:"However, bog turtles and wood turtles were found to be closely related, but neither species were directly related to spotted turtles. In 2001, both were moved to the new genus Glyptemys" -- did these come from two separate studies? If so, when did the first occur? 257:

The bog turtle is the smallest species of turtle in North America. The adults weigh approximately 4 ounces (110 g) when fully grown. Its head is a dark brown color that matches the shell; however, it has a bright yellow, orange, or red spot on each side of its

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Ah, I've looked more carefully. Blancan should not be put in a parentheses behind Pleistocene, as that implies that the Blancan stage is a subset of the Pleistocene epoch when that's not the case. You should pick one or the other and give the range for it. --

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Similarly, be consistent in using the word "population": there are different ways you can use it, but for instance, if you're defining the northern and southern groups as "populations", then you should not also say "populations often consist of fewer than 20

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the prose quality can be improved, particularly in missing commas as in this sentence: "The bog turtle prefers calcareous wetlands (areas that contain lime) including meadows, bogs, marshes, and spring seeps that have not only wet areas but dry regions as

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I'm the one who advised to do it this way... sorry if it was incorrect. It made sense to me that if the distribution was US only, the leading units should be the US ones. Do you know if there's a MOS guideline about this, or other examples (of FAs)?

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It still has the same issue: you give a list of states where it's "threatened", and a subset of those states where it's "endangered". Does that mean that in New Jersey, for example, it's listed twice as "threatened", and as "endangered"? --

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This article sticks out like a sore thumb, inconsistent with even closely related biology articles. How is it helpful? This is a global encyclopaedia, and outside NAm most people would expect, and be more familiar with, international units

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From what I've always gathered, if a paragraph only cites a single source, then you only need one citation at the end of the paragraph, not several throughout. Maybe another reviewer can comment on this before you go deleting redundant

2246:"farmland near County Route 565 in Sussex County, New Jersey, an area known to support a small bog turtle population" -- there's still this one, as I assume you're talking about a colony in New Jersey, within the northern population. -- 408:"north and south between Vermont and Georgia, and east and west between Vermont and Ohio" - use of "north and south" and "east and west" here read awkwardly, perhaps rephrase to "from Vermont southward to Georgia, and westward to Ohio"? 4991:"Home-range sizes in Maryland vary from 0.0030 hectares (0.0074 acres) to 3.1 hectares (7.7 acres) with considerable amounts of variation between sites and years."—any information on what kinds of habitats have larger home ranges? 4689:

I did see that, but read it as their age *at* (of) sexual reproduction, not the age at which they *reach* sexual maturity. I would think a six-year span of *reaching* sexual maturity is unusual-- can a turtle person clarify?

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seems to have them on the western end of Long Island—is that correct? (It may be—it just seems odd to me that, if they live on the island, they'd be in the distinctly turtle-unfriendly Brooklyn but not in the less populated

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The instances of "population" under Movement, where you seem to be talking about interchange between adjacent groups within either the northern or the southern population. You can get around this by referring to them as

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Recent edits (not necessarily mine) have improved the article and the prose is now professional and engaging. I enjoyed learning about this delightful little turtle. My congratulations to the team of editors involved.

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To me, it sounds like the article discusses detecting small, viable populations—something that would be beneficial to the article. See my comment under the next article if you need help accessing the full article. –

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Sorry, but I still don't really understand. What is "similarity of appearance" and does that affect the designation of "threatened"? Is it similar to another endangered turtle and thus also protected just in case? --

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it talked about capture methods to determine population structure. This could yield a very informative sentence when talking about conservation and studies pertaining to conservation efforts. I hope this helps. –

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The second reinforces that relatively long-distant trips are rarer than shorter ones. Thus a turtle may travel 15 meters in one day, but a more average number would be about 1 or 2 meters. Is this what you meant?--

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Well, I still don't think it's necessary, but if you keep it you should move the parenthetical definition next to the word it's defining, rather than put it as a separate sentence within parentheses afterward. --

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Citations look better, although now there is only one lingering problem: The last sentence in the first paragraph of "Natural threats" is unreferenced. Fix that, and my issues with citations will be resolved. –

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But wait, the Blancan period is from 4,750,000 to 1,808,000 years BP and the Pleistocene is from 2.588 million to 12 000 years BP, isn't the Pleistocene more precise? Also, Rancholabrean years have been

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Lot's of paragraphs start with "The bog turtle." I suggest trying to, where it can be done naturally, mix things up a bit. This is especially distracting when several paragraphs in a row start the same.

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Don't apologize, your concern is legitimate. I have clarified it a bit more with information offset in parenthesis. Also, some of this is explained in the "Northern and southern ranges" sub-section.--

1516:"Bog turtles often fall prey to a variety of birds and mammals including skunks, foxes, dogs, and raccoons" -- if these are natural predators they shouldn't be in a section about conservation threats. 5615:

That would be good for me, NYM. Congrats on authoring an excellent and informative article! Thanks for the explanation, Iri, although I will admit that I did not try to see what it looks like. ;) —

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goal. A list of omitted information can be performed on any article; ultimately the true skill is to summarize essential and relevant content. Best of luck ascertaining what defines "overkill" --

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The FA criteria require high-quality reliable sources; I don't think newspapers like the Tortuga Gazette and the Intelligencer Journal are high-quality reliable sources for a biological article.

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We have some information in the article (under the "Evolutionary History" section) that is very similar to the info in this last article (from what I can gather from the 'abstract' at least).--

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help me with this all the time. We would rather be certain that the article is as comprehensive as possible than let it slide by because the nominator "thinks" the information is covered. –

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Do you recommend forming a new section called "Biological threats," (or something like that) putting all the natural threats in that section, and leaving the current "Conservation" section?--

5541:"Bacterial aggregates have also been found in the lungs of two deceased specimens discovered in 1982 and 1995 from colonies in the southern population." -- what are "bacterial aggregates"? — 4584:

This has been changed so that it reads: "Bog turtles are sexually mature when they reach between 4 and 10 years of age (both sexes)." That appears to be what the source is driving at.--

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I did some general research and dug up some backround information: "The late J. Alan Holman, a paleontologist and herpetologist " is now in the section. Does this need to be sourced?--

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in a science article. Giving a regional units priority in a science article seems strange, especially as contrary to what many Americans think, most English speakers are not Americans

1444:. I tried to find a useful wikilink, but failed, and I could not find a definition on the internet. I think Yzx's guess is probably correct, but clarification would be helpful here. 2370:

How do the figures for the majority trip distance (68 ft) relate to the figures for average daily movement (6.9/3.1 ft)? Are majority trip distances calculated over multiple days?

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Sorry, would you mind pointing out where it says this. So much has been moved around I can't quite find it anymore (I need to find it to see what it's resource says). Thanks.--

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I don't agree that "sometimes" is redundant. I met the most beautiful skunk only last weekemd, but skunks are omniverous, so they eat lots of stuff. Sometimes bog turtles.

4476: 2876::*Why have you departed from normal biology article practice, even for US species, of having international units first and local units in parentheses? Not consistent with 489:"first discovered and scientifically identified" -- suggest leaving out "discovered", since that implies that it's never been seen by anyone before, which I find unlikely. 5067:

Which snakes, foxes, and skunks prey on it? There are several snakes in its range, but only one skunk and fox; why not name the species? (Two skunks actually, I now see—

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After several days, someone popped in and explained that a geographical map wouldn't make sense in this article because the bog turtle exists only in the eastern U.S.--

2139:"In both communities" -- You should stick to saying population here and later, since "community" in biology has a different meaning than the way you're using it here. 5464:

I apologize for my ignorance about some of the comments you are referring to, since I don't have time at the moment to review them. However, sometimes one needs to

435:"and feeds mainly during the day" - this is basically covered by the reference to "diurnal" in the previous sentence, maybe replace with what it eats specifically? 5158:

Currently 12 and 30, but that may have changed again by the time you read this. Just search for "Turtle Conservation" on the page and you'll certainly find them.

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I suggest simply deleting it along with the in-line comment and the reference. The latter is given in full a few lines later it seems so nothing will be lost.

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This sentence has been rewritten to avoid the use of a comma in that instance. What other specific sections/sentences are missing commas or need attention?--

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I'm not sure the sources go into that much detail, all I was able to turn up was that due to the differences, a new species was declared for a few decades.--

381:"smallest North American turtle" and "One of the smallest turtles in the world" - these phrases could be combined, as they're basically cover the same ground. 5327:

an encylopedia with another encylopedia is not appropriate. This too, should be a quick fix. Good thing there are three of you assigned to this article?! --

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I would move that phrase to later in the intro, as generally you want the first sentence in an article to define what it is, e.g. "The bog turtle is a..." --

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All the citations in this section have been removed save the last one (becuase they were all from the same source), which reads <name="RosenbaumP1": -->

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Thanks for your comments. All taxonomy issues will be solved once the google book mentioned in an earlier discussion on this page gets correctly cited.--

2085:"trees and shrubs such as willows, red maples, and alders" -- since your examples are trees, this would read better if "trees" and "shrubs" were reversed. 3717:

Yeah, I've never really understood the proper course of actions when dealing with this...another opinion would be best before drastic changes are made.--

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Also, I have changed the opening sentence of the movement section, awaiting feedback (and, let me say, your edits are vastly appreciated, thank you!).--

1684:"its slowness in adapting to change" -- this sentence seems odd; if evolutionary change is meant then this is the case for the vast majority of species. 1697:"slowness" implies that it is evolving, just not quick enough, in response to human-caused habitat alterations. The source does not support this. -- 1850:

One more comment: why is Reproduction behind Threats and Conservation? Usually in field guides and such human interactions and conservation go last.

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may require some guidance as to what truly reflects a difficiency in content and what was merely listed because it was in one and not the other. --

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I'm not sure a geographical map is absolutely critical, but, if it proves to be in the future, it shall be changed. Thank you for the feedback.--

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Actually, just putting down "Pleistocene" would be meaningless to a general reader. Also putting how long ago it was would be more useful. --

796:"because of a variation in the blotches on its head" -- this is not grammatically correct; do you mean that this variant's color blotches are 626:

Looking up the original name and author (Schoepf) in Google Books or something similar should give more reliable sources if you're unsure. --

2634:— I have made a few edits rather than list all my nit-picks here. I hope the nominator does not object and all the changes are negotiable :) 1156:

I researched it a bit further and I am more confused than before, I don't think these will help the reader unless he or she is a geologist.--

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comment that this was necessary, and I tend to agree. However, if it is deemed disruptive to the flow of the section, it will be removed.--

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Okay, Turtle Conservation Project (previously #11) is gone, if it's still there than I think I am going about replacing them all wrong.--

2058:"home range is relatively the same for" -- I think "generally similar" or "approximately similar" would be a better choice of words here. 1692:

What was meant here was its inability to adapt to a changing habitat (i.e. clearing of land, destructive construction of buildings etc.)

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That was my guess, but to cite it, I needed a last name, some new info has been added, I put the curator of the museum as the author.--

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These should alternate left and right (as far as possible) to balance the article, Faces generally point into articles, so a file like

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The in-line question concerning inbreeding has been changed to more match the sources words. Thanks for the support and compliment!--

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Maybe put alternate common names in quotes (or nothing at all) rather than italics, as that's generally reserved for scientific names.

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This has been removed, I think one of us read that once and included it unreferenced (I can't find that info in the current refs).--

4746:; my very long list of issues has been addressed, and I think the article has been improved with a lot of interesting information. 277:

I'm torn as well, I have removed two of the four citations to these two statements, leaving the two I found to be most reliable.--

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I changed a significant amount of "population"s to either "groups" or "colonies." However, I am unsure if I caught them all.--

2112:"have initiated the elimination of bog turtles from areas" -- this is a very convoluted way of saying "have begin to eliminate" 3691:

I have reworded the first sentence mentioned here and deleted the (unreferenced) second sentence. Thanks for the feedback!--

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made outside of this FAC by one of the editors involved, I am withdrawing from this review. My apologies to the nominator. –

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again I think would be better unless you are sure that non-scientists eg the aboriginal population did not know this creature

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Bye the way, once a reference is "named" there is no need to write it in full again. You just put <ref name=example/: -->

2599:'one of the smallest turtles in the world', this wording in the lead does not appear to be supported/referenced in the text. 4128: 3096:

In 1801, the bog turtle was initially named Clemmys muhlenbergii, or Muhlenberg's tortoise, in honor of Gotthilf Muhlenberg

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result in transforming a clear, concise and enjoyable article to a bloated summation geared to experts only. My advice to

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My student is still in hopes of reconciling any differences; the courtesy of extended time would be truly appreciated.--

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have been working on this article since the middle of September 2009, and we feel it is time to pull the trigger on it.

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Referencing looks good, other FA criteria appear to be met and other than the above nitpicks, I really like the prose.

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Consider moving the fact about colonies consisting of <50 individuals to the first time the word "colonies" appears.

929:"causing oxygen depletion" -- consider clarifying what is causing the oxygen depletion; surely it's not just being wet. 902:"often found on the edge of or bordered by woods" -- what's the difference between "on the edge of" and "bordered by"? 75: 4852:

There are some things remaining without which I don't think the article meets the criteria. Give it a few more days.

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Still sorting through them a bit, the fourth one has been used to good effect, the fifth has info already included.--

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If you need help accessing a journal article so that you can read more than just the abstract, just make a request.

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Very nice improvement on this article! I'm glad to see these class projects continue. I only have a few comments:

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The Stunk photo is difficult to make out. At first I thought it was some sort of bird. Consider using the standard

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Information on what "endangered" and "threatened" mean should go right after the list of states where those apply.

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The problem is that you're merging together two fundamentally different topics: natural predators are an issue of

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Some more cases where "population" seems to refer to something other than the northern and southern populations:

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I've addressed the specific prose issues you've raised, and I'll look through the whole thing again imminently.

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If the whole paragraph is cited to the same source, then one citation at the end is fine, and less distracting.

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Threats, which sandwiches talking about obstructions to movement in between sentences about habitat degradation.

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These last three are, again, a little beyond the scope of the article, particularly the internal parasite one.

2403:"numbers of the bog turtles' natural predators." -- the source mentions both natural and non-native predators. 5569:

for an explanation. Run a fingernail across your tongue or a tooth if you want to see what one looks like. –

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Images — I've removed the article name from the captions, per MoS, but you could say whether they are adults

773:* "due to an alteration of the blotches on its head" -- "alteration of the blotches" = "different blotches"? 179:

should be in the infobox. For nature articles I would prefer a geographic map rather than the political map

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We weren't asked to give a mere summation of interesting (and mind you, important) facts, we were asked to

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These numbers have since been changed, but from what I can dig up, the size simply varies between states.--

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Name added and info on the research, more on the individual can be included from the source if necessary.--

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I have a URL at the bottom of this page that answers the question (I just don't know if it's reliable).--

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http://www.bioone.org/doi/abs/10.1656/1092-6194%282008%2915%5B309%3AAPROGM%5D2.0.CO%3B2?journalCode=nena

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The invasion of non-native species should be under conservation, as it's a result of human activity. --

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Several articles about this species do not appear to be referenced and may provide additional details:

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Apologies, it seemed like you looked it up and found a different answer than ours. I will change it.--

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Most of the mammals (in the natural threats section) are in there and linked (birds...I don't know).--

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I removed about ten more, I am unsure of what I should touch, because some are different page numbers.

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Some more info about this has been added from a new source, I had to quote it because of ambiguity.--

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Skunks "sometimes" prey on bog turtles? "Sometimes" is redundant. A prose review might be needed.

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Thanks so much, they have been added, however I am unsure if the formatting is completely correct.--

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Looking back, I don't see much marking in that area... -_- (Thanks for the comments and support!)

4293:"1700s" is ambiguous since it can either mean the 18th century or the first decade of that century. 3943:

However, if you haven't see the whole article, it might be worth a look before you try using it. –

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This information was deadly difficult to locate on its own, I'm not sure more is even out there.--

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Grammer haz been alwayz my wurst subjekt (thanks for fixing that, it was rather embarrassing).--

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Is the "base color" the color of the shell and legs/tail, just the shell, or just the legs/tail?

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Inclusion of this would be a little overkill...don't you think (really specific information).--

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2316:"making it difficult to estimate its numbers" -- this is redundant with the previous sentence. 662:

a book that mentions it (near the bottom of the page). Note that Schoepff's original name was

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How's something like this: "due to a difference in blotch pattern on the side of its neck?"--

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the intro could use a sentence or two of description, as it's meant to summarize the article.

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the bog turtle has a maximum life span of 20–30 years, although many do not live that long.

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consider adding time ranges to the geological epochs to better contextualize for the reader

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is the version after you made those edits, and it still has some refs to these sources.

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Sources need to be checked to be sure the text actually reflects what the sources say.

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http://www.fw.vt.edu/fisheries/HAAS/haas_pdf/Bog%20turtle%202005%20J%20NC%20Acad%20S.pdf

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on fixing the "citation required" tag and answering the two remaining in-line questions.

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templates cause a problem in FAC archives. Please remove the templates, and indicate

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However, the young tend to grow rapidly and reach sexual maturity within 6 or 7 years

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ftp://ftp-fc.sc.egov.usda.gov/WHMI/WEB/pdf/TechnicalLeaflets/bog_turtle_Oct%2023.pdf

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Did someone revert my edits? If you look at my edit summaries, I removed them...--

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I've removed quite a few, the article should be up to par in that respect now :).--

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I am very sorry, I hadn't realized this was a problem. Thank you for telling me.--

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As it stands, he is in support (I probably didn't need to tell you that though).--

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Looks like overciting-- why do simple statements like these require four sources?

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Changed to: "The first specimen was scientifically identified in Pennsylvania "

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http://people.wcsu.edu/pinout/herpetology/gmuhlenbergii/taxonomic%20history.htm

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I have discovered that "similarity of appearance" is an expression used in the

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I have added another bit of research that I believe says the ranges overlap.--

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Bog turtles reach sexual maturity between 4 and 10 years of age (both sexes).

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as the maximum. It's worrying that you have simply changed it so the maximum

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The study of bog turtles in the wild is a significant conservation strategy.

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Changed so that it just reads "Pleistocene" with its appropriate timeline.--

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Any information on internal parasites (flukes, tapeworms, nematodes, etc.)?

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also, the second list of four states should be alphabetical like the first.

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A study is a strategy? I don't know what that sentence is trying to say.

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It's an easy fix, but I tend to believe its more helpful as is...right?--

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Only minor issues remain, so I'm changing above to Support. Good job! --

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is it considered both "threatened" and "endangered" in those four states?

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I believe this passage reads smoother now. Thank you for your comment.--

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15:27, 30 April 2010 (UTC) (and others listed on the article talk page

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NYMFan69, this is the third time I have asked that you please read the

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Do males and females maintain separate home ranges, or do they overlap?

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What about the other articles? Has their information been covered? –

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That's better. Any information on how the blotches were different? --

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What makes the Turtle Conservation Project and Environmental Defense

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The bog turtle was first identified in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania

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I've fixed the discrepancy you pointed out in the age ranges quoted.

602:"the bog turtle was initially named Clemmys muhlenbergii" -- by who? 39:

Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in

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I added some years (in parenthesis), but am unsure of formatting.--

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The first few sentences have been reworded to meet this standard.--

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Captive breeding is another method of stabilizing the bog turtle.

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I changed around a number of them, it may still need some work.--

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Otherwise the article looks very nice. Keep up the good work! –

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There are still quite a few redundant references in the text. –

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These are samples from only one section; please review prose.

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Stabiling the "turtle"? Should that be the turtle populations?

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don't need to put general behavior under a separate subheading.

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and others in the creation of this featured article. Regards,

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I have added a reference to the statement that required one.--

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This has been merged into one sentence with a single source.--

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bog turtles and wood turtles were found to be closely related

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After several sweeps of the article, I can't find the first.

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unique, including page numbers. This needs to be fixed. –

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02:48, 5 May 2010 (UTC)) (Moved resolved comments to talk

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I believe I caught them all. Before, I was following the

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the reviewer comments what has been done, with your sig.

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http://pinnacle.allenpress.com/doi/abs/10.2744/CCB-0683.1

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I did more research and came up with two more numbers.--

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Both are still there (refs. 11 and 27 at the moment).

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Info from the source has been added to clarify this.--

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FWIW, Ernstand & Lovich (2009) is a high-quality

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scientifically described from a Pennsylvania specimen

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Thanks, this is a great source. Who is the author?--

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for now, pending resolution of issues listed below.

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The bog turtle's closest relative is the wood turtle

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the following links, asking them to create the map:

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This has been done (btw, I see 20 as the number).--

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This has been done (btw, I see 20 as the number).--

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Just one minor quibble: 4104:Indeed I don't have access to these sources.-- 3619:All issues resolved, changed to support above 5676:No further edits should be made to this page. 4573:say that's when they "reach" sexual maturity. 4414:Thanks a lot for your comments and support!-- 3029:United States federal Endangered Species Act. 1142:stage was 4.75 to 1.81 million years ago. -- 29:The following is an archived discussion of a 8: 5384:: (Nominator is my student). I do not doubt 3830:{{Harvnb|Rosenbaum|2007|p=331}}</ref: --> 3392:Now I'm confused — I meant give the average 1360:The sentence has been reworded to clarify.-- 800:from regular bog turtles, or that it's more 4831:, what is that status on Ucucha's oppose? 4337:I have made these two separate sentences.-- 4038:http://gradworks.umi.com/33/68/3368810.html 1548:, and human-caused threats are an issue of 702:It seems to be New Jersey State Museum. -- 5171:Turtle Conservation Project ref removed.-- 4139:This one has been included, much thanks.-- 2230:Recently found the first and fixed them.-- 1804:Section reordered as per your suggestion. 1208:. Also, you should use the time range for 41:Knowledge talk:Featured article candidates 5024:I'm pretty sure I put some of these in.-- 1657:"destruction its habitat" -- missing "of" 1297:"Receding glaciers lead" -- "lead" -: --> 2745:Wait, sorry, I lost track. Which one?-- 5345:Intelligencer Journal source removed.-- 4775:Any information on why it was moved to 4472:http://www.dec.ny.gov/animals/7164.html 1725:Think it got removed at some point. -- 1958:I changed the word "base" to "skin."-- 5140:Which numbers were these two again?-- 3256:I've changed a few captions around.-- 2208:The last two I believe I corrected. 1784:Rewritten along the lines suggested. 1780:a grass tussock or on sphagnum moss." 18:Knowledge:Featured article candidates 7: 5185:Environmental Defense ref removed.-- 5073:occurs further east than I thought.) 4304:I've changed it to "18th century."-- 2675:Thank you for all of your help! :)-- 181:File:Bog_turtle_distribution_map.svg 3487:Yeah, what happened with the ref?-- 5269:Ditto for Environmental Defense.-- 2780:Okay, it has all been taken out.-- 24: 5597:Perhaps a wikilink is in order?-- 5080:Some of this has been added in.-- 4954:under the subheading "Synonyms". 1204:You can also add a time range to 5509:fit a square peg in a round hole 3524:if that's what's meant, or just 3400:the average, which is nonsense. 3311:changed specific to particular-- 2536:Changed. Thanks for the link.-- 1528:the threats this turtle faces.-- 2938:rather than its SI unit of s−1. 2552:Thanks. Much clearer. 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(UTC) 3677:20:06, 6 May 2010 (UTC) 3109:Researched and added.-- 1918:Also, some more notes: 1819:That's all for now. -- 1019:Someone changed this.-- 2520:File:Striped Skunk.jpg 1630:This has been moved.-- 1442:Endangered Species Act 983:"live their by" -: --> 5472:, which also look at 3301:This area in specific 4400:Urgent FACs/FARs/PRs 3581:Is this one fixed?-- 1600:on the bog turtle.-- 668:Clemmys muhlenbergii 664:Testudo muhlenbergii 5382:Comment - with bias 3098:Who named it? 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