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whole article again to see if they still support, and we just don't have time to do that (at least, not if we're going to be fair to all the other FACs). So thanks for fixing those, but I'm still opposing, since this is a very, very long article and it appears to me there's going to be as much work to do in each section as there was in the lead. I understand that you'd like the article to be in the best shape possible for the 20-year anniversary, in about two months, and GAN tends to have a long wait these days, but you've got time for a peer review or an A-class review. - Dank (
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Thanks. When an article gets early opposition at FAC, it's generally because we're a bit short on reviewers. If there's a lot to do before we can support, and different reviewers are covering different things, then after all the work is done, all the supporters would have to go back and review the
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of the 1990s and will be the subject of commemorations in Croatia. It will also attract significant international media coverage, some of which has already begun to appear, in the run-up and on the day itself. Having written featured articles before, I've set out to write this to featured standard
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for instructions. There are a few articles ahead of yours, so we won't all jump on it at once, but you should start to see some helpful edits and reviews soon. (This isn't a guarantee it will pass ... that's up to the reviewers, and I only look at one small part, the prose.) - Dank
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and I are co-nominating this article for featured article status. It has recently undergone a major expansion and rewrite to mark the upcoming 20th anniversary of the battle, which falls two months from today, on 18 November 2011. The battle was a critically important event in the
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It would be helpful if you could indicate which books don't include publishers. I've checked them all individually and I can't see any that don't have publisher info. I made a point of including it, so I would be surprised if there were
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from the outset and I'm pretty sure that it will meet many of the featured article criteria. The sister article on the Croatian Knowledge (XXG) is already a featured article (though this is not a translation of it).
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I'll have to defer to our ex-Yugoslav editors on the sources of the logos, which were already in the article when I started editing it. I don't think they're essential so I have no objection to removing them if
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Several vague or subjective statements - for example, "a very distinctive architectural and cultural character" - according to...? There are Baroque and classical mansions in other places, what makes these so
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I'm using the harvnb format. Changing "pages" to "pp." in the template doesn't seem to work and breaks all such references when I try it. I've added dashes for the page ranges.
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I've made a few changes to the spelling. There are still American spellings in the article but these are within quotations - they don't need to be changed, do they?
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Problems with reference/citation formatting: page ranges should consistently use "pp." and endashes, some books include publishers while others don't, etc
363:"deeply divided – these days psychologically rather than physically": I get what you're saying, but "psychologically" isn't the word I'd use. - Dank ( 224:
A few instances of phrasings too close to those used by sources, for example "devastation not justified by military necessity" (verbatim from source)
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I could only find one example of a caption that was a complete sentence that didn't end in a period - now fixed.
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Some references are incomplete - for example, newspaper sources without weblinks should include page numbers.
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a featured article review? There certainly isn't time to do a GAN considering how slow it is these days.
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I could only find two references to "World War II"; both changed to "Second World War" for consistency.
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Little & Silber 1996 was a typo; should have been 1997. Fixed now. Crnobrnja removed.
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Some internal inconsistencies, for example in the use of World War II vs Second World War
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issues: spell out "%" in article text, don't include external links in article text, etc
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File:JTO-logo.jpg gives a deleted page as a source. Please check for other image issues
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Missing bibliographic info for Little & Silber 1996; no citations to Crnobrnja 1996
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OK, I'll give it a go. I'll remove this nomination temporarily from the FAC page.
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Added a pre-war source to spell out what was so distinctive about Vukovar.
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I should be able to get hold of the page numbers - bear with me, please.
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Conversion of tonnes to tons added. Converted km to miles and m to ft.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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Repetitive and redundant phrasings - can you identify some for me?
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File:Logo_of_the_JNA.svg - on what source was this image based?
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before they go to FAC ... we do a good job of prepping them.
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can also be helpful. Some problems from the lead section:
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Captions that are complete sentences should end in periods
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Reworded these various elements to resolve those issues.
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Provide conversions for figures like "2 million tonnes"
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