472:"On September 15, 1825, the Jesuit mission superior, Francis Dzierozynski, again made Fenwick acting president of the college and vice rector, as the incumbent president—his brother, Enoch—refused to return to the college after leaving for St. Thomas Manor" and then says he held the position for less than a year. And then he's consecrated as bishop of Boston on December 21, 1825. So does "less than a year" mean ~3 months here? Because I think that most readers would be like myself and assume that "less than a year" suggests a time period greater than three months. Reading Dubuisson's article, it looks like that Fenwick did have a very short acting presidency, so could the "less than a year" be rephrased to make it clearer that this time frame wasn't even close to a year?
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Fenwick's uniquely. I think it is pretty well known that a mitre is the signature symbol of a bishop, and that is the reason it is used here. I would go so far as to say that is common knowledge among the average, educated reader. This is especially so, given the context of the vast majority of other Catholic bishop biographies on WP bearing that same mitre. If someone is not familiar with that, then one need only click on the image where there is the description. If it is any help, I have beefed up the description of that image on Commons to clarify that it is an image of a generic mitre, not any one bishop's in particular.
1313:, thank you for the image review. For the St. Patrick's Cathedral image, the link at present does go to the original work (a book), which is made available via Internet Archive. I'm afraid I can't find any more detailed a date than the year for the convent image. For the mitre image, which comes in as part of the template, I think the CC 2.5 license applies to the design of the mitre, since it's just a generalized depiction of a mitre. I don't think it copies anything, so the author's released under 2.5 is a release of the whole image, which includes the digital design. Otherwise, I'm not sure what they would be releasing.
1350:, which is used on a great many (perhaps the substantial majority) of Catholic bishop articles and those of other Christian denominations. It’s a useful template, and I think the mitre is a minor but welcome stylistic touch to the template. Either way, that’s something that has to be addressed in the context of the template, not this particular article.
1491:. The phrase "Styles of Benedict Joseph Fenwick" immediately followed by the mitre symbol will, IMO, inevitably lead a reader to believe that the symbol is part of Fenwick's personal style. It seems to not be a terribly well designed template. Regardless, the article, IMO, needs tweaking such that any risk of such reader confusion is removed.
545:""From the Pastor's Desk" (PDF). Holy Trinity Catholic Church Bulletin. Washington, D.C.: Holy Trinity Catholic Church. December 6, 2015. p. 2. Archived (PDF) from the original on December 16, 2018. Retrieved January 4, 2019" - Since you're citing a column written by the pastor, shouldn't he be given as the author?
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I would've liked a another set of eyes on the question. As I say above, I think the average reader would understand the image in context, but if others think otherwise, then I'd be open to removing the template for the time being and opening a broader discussion on the template page about whether the
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Unfortunately, I think we just have a difference of opinion. Granted I am fairly well versed in
Christian, particularly Catholic, imagery, I don't think your average reader with at least some degree of familiarity with Catholic (or Christian) bishops would conclude, given the context, that the mitre
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I am fine with being overridden on this one, but from my perspective as someone who knows about heraldry but little about the
Catholic Church that kind of infobox image is misleading as my first assumption - endorsed by the text over the image - is that the mitre is specific. I wouldn't assume that
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I actually think it's justified in this instance, because each of those three instances are very different. One is the term "Jesuit," the other is "Society of Jesus," and the third is "SJ." I think it's definitely worth it to link Jesuit and I think your average reader, especially a non-Catholic,
380:" The school was opened in 1808, in a house on Mulberry Street, across the street from the original St. Patrick's Cathedral" - based on our article about the cathedral, construction did not start until 1809, so the school would not have been across the street from it in 1808. Maybe rephrase to
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This is the second nomination of this article, after the first failed for lack of input. I have taken this article through GAN and believe it is up to FA standards. Fenwick led a fascinating life, full of controversies and disputes navigated from senior positions.
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I was able to find the precise date he became president for the second time, but the sources are silent as to the date his presidency ended. They all seem to suggest that he just held the presidency until he went to Boston, following his appointment as bishop.
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would not know that the
Society of Jesus is the formal name for the Jesuits, much less that SJ is the abbreviation for Society of Jesus, which is the Jesuits. It is also standard in Jesuit biography articles to link the first instance of SJ for that reason.
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Though certainly a common term for a read-up person in the
Anglosphere, I think it's worthwhile for those who may not be familiar with the Protest-Catholic divide/history. However, I'm amenable to removing this one if you really think it's unnecessary.
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Most every source simply says that he died as the Bishop of Boston, implying that he died in Boston. However, I was able to find one source that says he died at the then-cathedral of Boston, which is in Boston. I've added this to the article.
820:"Fenwick's life, and the formation of the Montgomery Guards. Fenwick also addressed intra-parochial conflict, ultimately placing a Boston church under interdict. Fenwick ..." thrice Fenwick, perhaps replace the middle one with "He"?
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It's always been my practice that the lede is discounted for the purposes of linking first instances of terms unless it's an especially short article. Here, this is the first instance of
Society of Jesus after the lede.
780:"began his ministry in New York City as the co-pastor of St. Peter's Church, the pastor of the..." mildly confusing, he began his ministry with two positions simultaneously? Also, a year would be helpful I think.
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Fenwick. It’s a long-standing symbol of Catholic bishops and, indeed, many Christian bishops generally. It cannot be removed without removing
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But you've called it the
District of Washington above and linked it as such. Did it change names? I would refer to the same entity with the same nomenclature here, and reduce the overlinking.
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Ref 52 mentions that the building was sold in 1980, not that the school ceased operating that year; can we get this backed up with another source giving the specific year it stopped operating?
438:"Fenwick remained in Charleston one year beyond the erection of the new Diocese of Charleston and the appointment of John England as the first bishop" - more exact date? At least a year?
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If the image depicts a generic mitre, it should be removed - the way it's currently used it strongly implies that the image is the official design and style of this particular cleric.
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File:Fenwick cropped.jpg - does not have a real source link. The source link takes me to a different file, which merely has a circular source link back to the file description page.
420:"Later that year, Ambrose Maréchal, the Archbishop of Baltimore, sent Fenwick to Charleston, South Carolina," - is there a more exact date for when he was sent from Georgetown?
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This is the only place in the article where
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Tager 2001 has a URL but no access date, unlike the other sources with URLs provided. I don't believe these are necessary for books but it should be uniform if used,
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Overall sources seem to be academic publishing—good to see a mix of university presses here and not a preponderance from
Georgetown, the range speaks to breadth well.
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New source definitely covers this better. Took a second read over everything just to be sure and nothing seems amiss. Happy to consider this passed on sourcing.
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It would seem the people have spoken. I've gone ahead and removed the template. Perhaps the template can use some tweaking to avoid this issue.
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Agree that that was poor wording. I've fixed it. 01:01, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
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Very right. I didn't catch that. Removed the duplink.
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1592:The above discussion is preserved as an archive.
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488:Rephrased to clarify it was just a few months.
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703:Thank you for your review,
607:. Apologies for the delay.
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1262:Keep wearing the mask...
1228:Keep wearing the mask...
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548:That makes sense. Done.
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69:
46:
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1415:Jo-Jo Eumerus
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1387:
1386:Jo-Jo Eumerus
1383:
1379:
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1365:Jo-Jo Eumerus
1362:
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1328:Jo-Jo Eumerus
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1311:Jo-Jo Eumerus
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1297:Jo-Jo Eumerus
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366:
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1577:Gog the Mild
1551:Closing note
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1493:Gog the Mild
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1432:Gog the Mild
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1275:Image review
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1187:Corrected.
841:Clarified.
783:Rephrased.
582:This does
1559:WP:FAC/ar
1555:candidate
823:Tweaked.
705:Grapple X
1553:: This
1533:Ergo Sum
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1371:Ergo Sum
1363:Pinging
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1023:Linked.
1005:Ergo Sum
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954:Ergo Sum
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877:Linked.
863:Ergo Sum
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113:Comments
102:Ergo Sum
85:Ergo Sum
50:promoted
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693:ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ
341:Support
286:Fixed.
1205:Done.
1165:Done.
1147:Done.
1111:Done.
932:Done.
765:Done.
405:Done.
267:Done.
158:Done.
58:FACBot
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