333:, the first sentence should tell the nonspecialist reader what, or who, the subject is, and should be in plain English. Here, the lead sentence says, "The relationship between George Washington and slavery was complex, contradictory and evolved over time." The vocabulary is in plain English, but I'm not so sure the gist is plain English. The lead sentence basically says it's all a muddy mess, and does not even hint about whether he owned slaves, whether that was unusual in his social context, and whether he evolved from opposing slavery to supporting it or vice versa. I would suggest something like "George Washington and slavery coexisted in the Virginia culture where he grew up, and his Mount Vernon plantation relied heavily upon slave labor, but in the 1780s he privately advocated the abolition of slavery, and later commanded in his will that his slaves be set free." Tons of info is packed into a lead sentence like that.
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some 8,000 acres (3,200 ha) encompassing five separate farms, initially planting tobacco but diversifying into grain crops in the mid 1760s. Washington's early attitudes to slavery reflected the prevailing
Virginia planter views of the day; he demonstrated no moral qualms about the institution and referred to his slaves as 'a Species of Property.'" The size and structure of Mount Vernon gets into the weeds, and naming the specific crops does not obviously illuminate his relationship to slavery, so consider moving it out of the opening paragraph. I would remove the quote about "a Species of property" entirely from the lead, because that is merely how slavery was defined, and it also seems kind of unbalanced to use this as the sole GW quote about slavery in the lead when he said so much else about it during his life.
774:”. The lead should summarize the article’s main points in a nutshell. So the issue is whether you can convey how horrible slavery was without going into so much detail. Consider this material: “Field slaves were provided with a set of clothes each year which, due to the nature of their work, were quickly worn out. Domestic slaves who attended the Washingtons and came into regular contact with visitors were better clothed.“ Wouldn’t all of that have been just as true of paid workers? Keep it in the article body if you like, but for the lead it seems like too much. At most, it would seem sufficient to say in the lead that the slaves were often poorly clothed, if that was the case, and then all the detail can go in the article body.
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and the
Creation of America, p. (2013). “The challenge, for a colonial historian at least, is to explain how a people could have developed the dedication to human liberty and dignity exhibited by the leaders of the American Revolution and at the same time have developed and maintained a system of labor that denied human liberty and dignity every hour of the day. The paradox is evident at many levels if we care to see it….Virginia produced the most eloquent spokesmen for freedom and equality in the entire United States: George Washington, James Madison, and, above all, Thomas Jefferson. They were all slaveholders and remained so throughout their lives.” Morgan, Edmund. The Challenge of the American Revolution (1978).
2150:"Washington inherited slaves from Lawrence, acquired more as part of the terms of leasing Mount Vernon and inherited slaves again on the death of Lawrence's widow in 1761." - this writing just sits wrong with me. Not just because it is morally wrong, but I feel like it could be written stronger, like "Washington inherited slaves through inheritance from Lawrence and later Lawrence's widow in 1761, as well as part of the terms of leasing Mount Vernon." - IDK, I think the writing has to be really careful when dealing with slavery, to be objective without being callous towards history and the truth. I'm not saying you are, either, I just want to have the strongest possible writing.
1745:"Washington's first doubts about slavery surfaced in the 1760s, when the transition from tobacco to grain crops at his Mount Vernon estate left him with a surfeit of slaves, prompting him to question the economic viability of slavery. " - this could be clearer why exactly the economics of the situation changed. Also, you you use the term "surfeit of slaves" three times in the article. Is that normal terminology when referring to a number of slaves? I realize it's long out of practice, but IDK, I had to look up what that word was. I'm all for fancy writing, as long as the average reader doesn't get lost
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intimation of the emancipation clause in his will..."). Maybe the word "presaged" gives the wrong impression (and I've reworded it now to read "...a statement that resembled the emancipation clause in
Washington's will..."), but I don't see how I've drawn any connection as a matter of fact. I do devote that paragraph to Wiencek's conclusion that the statement is evidence of a moral epiphany and the opinions of other historians who dispute that conclusion, per NPOV. I hope I have done it in a way that is neutral, fair and representative, but happy to have any failure in that pointed out.
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this concern of
Washington's to his motivation for freeing his slaves. It's a good point, though, and I've moved Henriques out of the footnote and into the main body. I would also point out that Washington's "closet abolitionist" sentiments are a matter of public record in his writings and covered extensively in the sources, so merit Knowledge (XXG)'s voice; the contrary view that he freed his slaves because of his concern for his place in posterity is only ever found in the analysis of historians, so warrants a little more care in how it's presented in the article, surely?
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second paragraph is much more specific, containing several dates and other numbers. The second (stylistic) reason why I like the first paragraph as-is is because it gives a roughly chronological introduction, and the second paragraph starts again with the eleven-year-old
Washington, whereas combining the two paragraphs would make the reader jump back and forth in time. By the way, I’m traveling for the rest of this week, but will try to come back to this FAC upon returning home (assuming a virus-free trip!). Cheers.
4860:"In November the same year, Washington demonstrated in a letter to his friend and neighbor Alexander Spotswood that the reluctance to sell slaves at a public venue, first seen in his letter to Lund Washington in 1778, had become an emphatic principle against "selling Negroes, as you would Cattle in the market..."" Again, can we get inside Washington's head to that extent? I don't doubt that the source says that, but does that make it a fact that it was an "emphatic principle" of his that he "demonstrated"?
4919:"Washington went beyond the legal requirement to support and maintain younger slaves until adulthood, stipulating that those children whose education could not be undertaken by parents were to be taught reading, writing and a useful trade by their masters and then be freed at the age of twenty-five." Did Virginia law dictate that juvenile slaves could not be emancipated until age 25? The cynic in me says that this gives the master eight or ten years of mature labor.
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than main text? The "closet abolitionist" view seems to be given more credence than alternative views throughout the article, generally it is given the last word and is sometimes set forth in
Knowledge (XXG)'s editorial voice, something less true for contrary views. For example, at one point you say he "expressed his repugnance at owning slaves". That says he felt repugnance. Can we conclude that in editorial voice, or is it that he just expressed repugnance?
1286:"Washington's concern that his example...". Also, there has been a 6-hr biographical miniseries about Washington on the History Channel that just aired which dealt in part with his relationship to antebellum slaveholding. It might be of interest to readers if a section were added to the article which dealt with Washington's viewpoint in comparison to the other Virginia slaveholders, like Jefferson and other Founding Fathers.
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contradictory and evolved over time. He was a slaveowner..." This is basically the same construction as your now reverted edit. The advantages are that it allows the bolded title in a naturally flowing, accurate sentence. The disadvantage is that it does not state off the bat that GW was a slaveowner, per your original objection, but the few people in the world who don't know that quickly learn it in the very next sentence.
4499:"There is evidence that slaves passed on their African cultural values through telling stories, among them Joel Chandler Harris's tales of Br'er Rabbit which, with their origins in Africa and stories of a powerless individual triumphing through wit and intelligence over powerful authority, would have resonated with the slaves." This is confusing. They couldn't have been Harris's tales as he hadn't been born yet.
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that his business was dependent on slavery and he did not have the cash to emancipate them. The question of how
Washington the president was able to preserve slavery is answered by the facts that he believed it could be abolished only gradually by legislative means and that the unity of the nation was more important than resolving an issue that threatened to divide it. This is all covered in the article.
1031:: “Mention other topics and articles only if there is a reasonable possibility of a reader arriving at the article either by mistake or with another topic in mind....Ideally, limit hatnotes to just one at the top of the page or section. Multiple hatnotes may be appropriate when they serve different purposes, such as disambiguating topics with similar names and explaining redirects.” Moreover, per
1651:"In adulthood his personal slaveholding increased through inheritance, purchase and natural increase, and he gained control of dower slaves belonging to the Custis estate on his marriage in 1759 to Martha Dandridge Custis." - because you don't use the oxford comma in the first part of the sentence, it becomes a rather lengthy sentence. I suggest you split it into two to improve the writing.}}
2209:"On his marriage in 1759 to Martha Dandridge Custis, Washington gained control of eighty-four dower slaves which, although he had no legal title to them – they belonged to the Custis estate and were held in trust by Martha for the Custis heirs – he managed as his own property." - this should be two sentences, as it almost lost its meaning by the end. Also, "eighty-four" should be 84 per
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writes, "Perhaps it had been hoped that
Washington's example of benevolence toward his slaves would carry over to other members of his family." Neither definitively state that Washington actually intended his act to set an example, which is why I have phrased it in the same speculative way the sources have rather than the simpler version you suggest.
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loudspeakers—the title does not need to appear verbatim in the main text.” I don’t care a lot one way or the other, but am not sure it’s impossible to use the article title. Keep in mind that we’re just getting started here, so it would not be out of the question to modify the article title if that would facilitate its use in the opening sentence.
5483:. Given the substantive reviews this candidate has received, it would be a shame for it to drop out for want of a source review. If it gets to the stage where the Coords are considering archiving for this reason, would it be possible to give me a heads up and a final chance to see if I can't interest someone into undertaking such a review?
4574:"In 1774 he was a key participant in agreeing the Fairfax Resolves which, alongside the assertion of colonial rights, condemned the transatlantic slave trade on moral grounds." "agreeing the Fairfax Resolves" sounds a bit less US than I'd like, maybe start "In 1774 he was a key participant in the adoption of the Fairfax Resolves ..."
4689:"He had a keen sense both of the fragility of the fledgling Republic and of his place as a unifying figure, and he was determined not to endanger either by confronting an issue as divisive and entrenched as slavery." Again, is this fact or opinion? Should statements about what was going on in Washington's head be stated as fact?
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time looking at the
Westport Museum one to see if I could see more about what organization runs it, but it's used for one sentence that is supported by sources reproduced in the article, and there's clearly editorial control. Formatting looks perfect, and everything in the article is sourced. I have not done any spotchecks.
2337:"Although Washington insisted on an emotional distance between master and slave, there are examples of genuine affection, such as was the case with his valet William Lee" - I see you mention Lee in the lead, and later on he was freed, but if there was genuine affection, could you go into a bit more detail about Lee here?
3440:. I think I'm beginning to understand this better now. Presumably there was some sort of covenant in the will whereby Washington managed the estate but didn't actually own it until his brother's wife died. I think this probably needs explaining earlier on but as yet don't have a suggestion. A footnote perhaps?
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I'm not familiar with the material at all, so can't comment on whether the best sources have been used, but the sources look scholarly and reliable -- there's a 1925 book, and a
Youtube video, but both are fine for the use to which they're put. The websites all seem appropriate sources; I spent some
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Some three-quarters of the slaves labored in the fields, while the remainder worked at the main residence as domestic servants and artisans. They supplemented their diet by hunting, trapping, and growing vegetables in their free time, and bought extra rations, clothing and housewares with income from
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I carried out a partial/mini peer review in June last year and lots of work has been done on the article since. It looks in good shape IMHO - neutral, well-researched, comprehensive etc. I consider the prose to be of an FA standard and understand why you have chosen your words with caution. I do have
2906:
So I finished the article. I'm leaning oppose at the moment, because some of the wording feels more dramatic like it would be in a novel, rather than an encyclopedia article. I identified the places I had issues with, so it shouldn't be too difficult to address these issues. Please let me know if you
2013:
I have spent quite a lot of effort over the years trying to educate non-Brits about the difference between England and Britain, so I feel hugely embarrassed to have been caught out here. Thanks for catching that. Struggling to come up with a way of conveying the sentence with a more active voice. Any
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Not being a part of that history, I'm only vaguely aware of the difficulties of terminology. One difficulty, as I understand it, is that a newly imported slave was an African, not an African-American. If this is a major issue then I can revisit it, but believe me, I know this is a minefield, which is
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guidelines by setting out the subject in a nutshell, rooted firmly in the content of the article itself. Identifying that Washington was a Founding Father establishes his significance without having to choose between POTUS or general. It also allows us to meet the bolded title tradition, which is not
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The opening sentence seems a bit dramatic for an encyclopedia entry, specifically the 4th word "paradox", which only appears in the first sentence. I feel like there's a better way of introducing that. I see there was a discussion above on it, and I'm not a huge fan of the wording. Maybe introduce it
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Happy to address any issues with the prose, but the example you provided is written that way specifically to reflect what the sources say. Wiencek writes, "Washington may have believed that, given his immense prestige, his will would have some lasting influence on the debate over slavery." Hirschfeld
836:
That's a good question and similar to the point raised by JohnWickTwo below. From memory, the only distinctions that spring to mind is Washington's recognition of slave marriages, which weren't recognised in Virginian law, and his later reluctance to sell slaves at a public venue or separate families
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I'll see what I can do about reducing the length, but the narrative about the slaves' condition at Mount Vernon is every bit a part of the subject as the evolution of Washington's attitudes to the institution. That slave narrative, as it relates specifically to Washington, is covered at length in the
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says it should be written "without being too specific." If that guidance were more closely followed, I think the opening paragraph would be quite a bit shorter. Therefore, I would suggest moving this stuff out of the lead: "He put his slaves to work on his Mount Vernon estate, which in time grew to
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I'm not quite sure how to correctly address the PD tag issue for the list of taxable property. As effectively a tax return, I would assume this is part of the Federal Govt and therefore in the public domain. I have, however, added a PD-USGov-Congress tag to the licensing info on Commons, based on the
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I don't see that the lead is any longer than other articles of comparable size I or others have successfully put through FAC. And to my way of thinking, there is something very dubious indeed about excising from the lead the enslaved community's story, a narrative that accounts for some one third of
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It seems too much of a coincidence that this takes us to 1807. This leads me to question whether the act actually stipulated 20 years or whether there was some undetermined clause and it is the author's observation that after 20 years, the trade was dying out. Or is that indeed what we are trying to
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Ha ha, yes, you certainly did give me a hard time in places, but that's only to be expected at FAC. I'm grateful for the support, but even more than that, I'm grateful for the time and effort you've given to reviewing the article, and the consequent improvements that have been made to it. Thank you.
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Surplus works better. As for the economics, I was thinking something like - "Washington transitioned his estate from tobacco to grain crops, which left him with a surplus of slaves; this prompted him to first question the economic viability of slavery." IDK, some wording like that would more clearly
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The challenge, for a colonial historian at least, is to explain how a people could have developed the dedication to human liberty and dignity exhibited by the leaders of the American Revolution and at the same time have developed and maintained a system of labor that denied human liberty and dignity
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I’m probably going to oppose FA as the lead stands now. The lead paragraph is much too long, the lead sentence is awkward, Washington is not wikilinked on first use, the article title could easily be used in bold within the first sentence but is not, and the article omits pertinent and well-sourced
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Having three or four paragraphs in the lead is fine, but they are presently too long, and ought to be cut approximately in half, IMHO. Overly long paragraphs are hard to read. Much of this material could be moved out of the lead, and perhaps out of the article entirely to the extent that it merely
614:
Thanks for working through it. Regarding the current two-sentence opening paragraph, I like it broken from the second paragraph for two reasons. First, the rule says “The first paragraph should define or identify the topic with a neutral point of view, but without being too specific.“ The current
5131:
Washington's concern about how posterity would judge him is not a "contrary" or "alternative" view, but a complementary theme. The number of sentences Philip Morgan devotes to this aspect in his 27-page paper doesn't hit double figures. Henriques disposes with it in maybe two sentences of a 22-page
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That footnote comes from the paragraph which discusses the idea that Washington freed his slaves out of concern for his reputation. It is not, however, an idea that receives significant coverage in the sources. Note that in the footnote, of the four sources quoted, only Henriques specifically links
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Because many of his slaves were married to Martha's dower slaves, whom he could not legally free, Washington stipulated that, with the exception of his valet William Lee who was freed immediately, his slaves be emancipated on the death of Martha. She freed them in 1801, a year before her own death,
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says "For many other individuals, communities and countries, "black" is also perceived as a derogatory, outdated, reductive or otherwise unrepresentative label, and as a result is neither used nor defined, especially in African cultures with little to no colonial history. Some have pointed out that
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is evident at many levels if we care to see it….Virginia produced the most eloquent spokesmen for freedom and equality in the entire United States: George Washington, James Madison, and, above all, Thomas Jefferson. They were all slaveholders and remained so throughout their lives.” Morgan, Edmund.
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The article devotes the first paragraph of the American Revolution section to the paradox (and does so thanks to the input in these reviews). The question of how Washington, having fought a war in the name of liberty, could still tolerate slavery is discussed throughout the article, examples being:
5040:
The article seems to accept the narrative that Washington became something of a closet abolitionist in the final two decades of his life. An alternative view, that he did and said the things he did with an eye to his place in history seems to be present in footnote k. Why is this a footnote rather
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Hmm. Not sure about the "on average" bit. The source basically says that by the war's end, some 200,000 men had been mobilized, of which some 6,000 (i.e. 3%) were African-Americans. It's slightly vague because the only year for which actual figures are available is 1778, so the rest represents the
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It only caught my eye because I saw another British reference to an early American colony in GA review for another article. I suggest something like - "The English colony of Virginia first imported African slaves to Point Comfort in 1619." Is that still accurate? Something like that would make the
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I've thought long about this. The key point here is that Washington's first misgivings about the institution of slavery were based entirely on economic considerations. That's the first step in the sequence that the rest of the paragraph details. Leaving it until the end of the sentence weakens the
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I think the proposed sentence by Factotem works well, as his role as founding father refers to both his status as president and his role in the revolution, and it provides a good summary. I was waiting on commenting to see how you would resolve the first paragraph, which remains my main issue with
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Hurricanehink suggests putting into the lead sentence that Washington was the first POTUS. I think it's much more relevant that he led a war in the name of liberty, and the sources cited in my previous comment seem to bear that out. In any event, it would be wise to include something in the lead
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preserved slavery is not the concern of this article. How Washington approached the subject is, and is (I believe, otherwise I would not have submitted it to FAC) comprehensively covered in the article. The question of how Washington the farmer was able to preserve slavery is answered by the facts
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It is the paradox of George Washington and slavery that the man who successfully fought a war in the name of liberty owned slaves his entire adult life. He became uneasy with an institution that was ingrained in the economic and social fabric of his native Virginia, and ultimately provided for the
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Hi, I think it's time to close the review now. FWIW I feel the "paradox" wording suggests an essay rather than an encyclopedic entry, and the first sentence as it is (and as given immediately above) works pretty well. OTOH there might well be an argument to to make this first sentence a standalone
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At this point, I won’t suggest excluding any of it from the article body, it’s just a question of how much to put in the lead. Covering it in the lead is fine, if it’s not too long. A lot of generic material about slavery can go in this article body, and you can also link to it in the lead using
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As I said, it is the central paradox of this article. Historians take that view as well: “ow is it that the Revolution preserved slavery? George Washington, the slaveholder who led the war for liberty, personifies that paradox.” Wiencek, Henry. An Imperfect God; George Washington, His Slaves,
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Looks much better to me, I made a few minor tweaks. Regarding a bolded part of the lead sentence, the guidance is as follows: “If possible, the page title should be the subject of the first sentence. However, if the article title is merely descriptive—such as Electrical characteristics of dynamic
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I'm not knowledgeable on the subject of slavery in the colonies, but from what I have read, it appears the origins are not fully known. The Knowledge (XXG) article on slavery suggests that the first slaves were taken by privateers from a Portugese ship, not imported by the colony of Virginia as a
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Finally, I would point out that Morgan's work addresses that wider issue more than the specifics of Washington's position, and lists only four pages in the index for Washington (and the two of them that I can view in gbooks preview are pretty much passing references). Wiencek does indeed link the
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A short comment about the narrative style and your general approach. Its currently an interesting theme article which might use a general reading with an eye to tighten the narrative in places. For example, the phrase "Any hopes Washington may have had that his example...", could be simplified to
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in the lead, which you've mentioned twice now. Everything in this article about the slave condition is specific to Washington's slaves, and I'm not sure what value linking to a generic article, which is anyway linked to as a hatnote at the beginning of the Background section, will bring. I do see
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I can suggest this, without any title change: “George Washington and slavery coexisted; he was a slaveowner his entire adult life, but became uneasy with an institution that was ingrained in the economic and social fabric of his native Virginia, and ultimately provided for the emancipation of his
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In the opening sentences, there are two quotes from Washington that mention slavery. What do the sources say he means? I have heard both quotes before, and in a different context, they sound like Washington is referring to himself and his fellow colonials as slaves of the British Empire, and not
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Both Hurricanehink & I have said the second sentence of the lead is fine, you did a good job on it, and it says “He became uneasy with an institution that was ingrained in the economic and social fabric of his native Virginia, and ultimately provided for the emancipation of his slaves in his
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I have scanned through the main source on that aspect and added information in the main body about how Washington's practices compared with general practice. I've also recast the 2nd para of the lead to better summarise the key points of the "Slavery at Mount Vernon" section, including a mention
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Washington owned slaves from age eleven until his death at sixty-seven. Over that lifetime he set not one single slave free, nor did he ever publicly lend his weight, either in terms of his considerable personal reputation or the high office he held, to the abolitionist cause. I don't think it's
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Radicalized is more appropriate. Although it's not necessary to relate the details in this article, Washington was amongst the first to talk of a resort to arms and, whilst most of the rebellious colonials were still appealing to the King for the redress of their grievance, the first to talk of
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I've added a sentence about the apparent hypocrisy of slave owners fighting a war to free themselves from what they saw as enslavement by the British. As you might see from other discussions above, it is a paradox that the nation which rebelled in the name of liberty preserved slavery when that
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The story of Washington and slavery as discussed in the sources that deal specifically with that subject is not about the question of how a man who led a war in the name of liberty could own slaves. It is about the evolution in the attitude of a man who went from unquestioning acceptance of the
851:
Okay, if stuff in the second paragraph of the lead reflected general practice, then I think that ought to be briefly mentioned at the start of the second paragraph. My preference, though, would be to start the second paragraph by saying his practices matched general Virginia practice, but with
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Relatively little attention has been given in the sources to the subject of George Washington and Slavery in comparison to other aspects of the life of a founding father and first president of the US. This article draws primarily on the three books and four papers that focus specifically on the
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There are accounts of carpenters being whipped in 1758 when the overseer "could see a fault", of a slave called Jemmy being whipped for stealing corn and escaping in 1773 and of a seamstress called Charlotte being whipped in 1793 by an overseer "determined to lower Spirit or skin her Back" for
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No. The statement recorded by Humphreys and the terms of the will are both public record, and the similarities between the two are specifically mentioned by Wiencek ("The statement bears a striking resemblance to the emancipation clause in Washington's will...") and Philip Morgan ("Here is an
2284:"For Washington, "lost labour is never to be regained," and he required "every labourer (male or female) as much in the 24 hours as their strength without endangering the health, or constitution will allow of." " - is this quote also from the former slave, mentioned in the previous sentence?
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Regarding the first sentence of the lead, I still think it is much more relevant that he led a war for liberty, than that he was a founding father. Slavery, after all, is the opposite of liberty. Readers would like to know if George Washington was a hypocrite for supporting liberty but also
888:
Whatever you put in the lead about the practice of slavery at Mt. Vernon, the reader should be told whether it’s typical or atypical. Same for the article body. I personally find the atypical stuff more interesting, more revealing about Washington, and therefore more useful to put into this
584:
Looks good, although he was just getting started by winning the war. He also won the peace, by presiding over the constitutional convention and serving as president, in both instances establishing a very stable federal government that respected the political liberty and individual liberty of
4889:"The deferral was intended to postpone the pain of separation that would occur when his slaves were freed but their spouses among the dower slaves remained in bondage, a situation which affected twenty couples and their children." What facts is this based on? I'm talking about the "intended".
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How deeply do you feel that these quotes are relevant and necessary? Again, on a second reading, I can see what is being said but because this section (and indeed much of the article) is about Washington's attitude to slavery, it does seem that they are included for the purpose of suggesting
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as a slave owning farmer in the "Confederation years" section ("Washington did not let principle interfere with business; he still needed labor to work his farms, and there was little alternative to slavery.") and the "As Virginia farmer" section ("In addition to political caution, economic
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non-slaves. So maybe tweak it to say, "It is the paradox of George Washington and slavery that the man who successfully fought a war and established a government in the name of liberty also owned slaves his entire adult life.” But if you don’t like that, then your version would work, IMHO.
4831:"Washington concluded his instructions with a private passage in which he expressed his repugnance at owning slaves and declared the principle reason for selling the land was to raise the finances that would allow him to liberate them." How was this more private than the rest of the letter?
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Fair point. Changed carnal to sexual. I'm not sure what the issue is with "charges"; isn't that recognised as meaning people the overseers were in charge of? I could write it as "sexual relations with the slaves over whom they were in charge" or similar, but that seems unnecessarily wordy.
482:
That's still stating the obvious in the first sentence, and "apprehensive" in the second is not at all an accurate way of describing it. The only way I can see of getting the bolded title into the first sentence is with "The relationship between George Washington and Slavery was complex,
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OK. There's no specific attribution, but logically it can only have been Washington himself, or possibly an agent of his. I also cannot find anything that would suggest a publication date. Grateful for any advice you might be able to give, otherwise I'll just remove it from the article.
1676:" He provided his slaves with basic food, clothing and accommodation comparable to general practise at the time but not always adequate, and with medical care." - the "medical care" part feels like an afterthought, but it could arguably be mentioned alongside food/clothing/accommodation
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paragraph, as it establishes immediately and by itself the main thrust of the article, whereas the following sentence and after is more in the way of background. I don't think that should be a deal-breaker for anyone though, so will leave that to post-promotion action (or not). Cheers,
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Fair enough. I will cut some of the detail about Mount Vernon's development, but the transition from planter to farmer was a significant point in the evolution of Washington's attitude to slavery and warrants a mention in the lead. You make a good point about the quote - I'll cut that.
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I did wonder when I wrote that whether I would be allowed to get away with it. Reworded to "...how willing the antislavery faction was to accept the preservation of slavery to ensure national unity and the establishment of a strong federal government." Slavery, not the slave trade.
4713:"...he had an extraordinary grasp of the symbolic function of his office as a unifying force for the new nation. Even the most cursory examination of the political correspondence of the period indicates how important Washington was in holding the fabric of the new nation together."
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the sale of game and produce. They built their own community around marriage and family, though because Washington allocated slaves to farms according to the demands of the business without regard for their relationships, many husbands lived separately from their wives and children
5018:(which I've clarified in the edit) is based on the statement in the source that he was "instrumental in founding the first French society for the elimination of the slave trade." Clarified that he became a corresponding member of the British movement against the slave trade.
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You’ve said in the lead that his views reflected prevailing Virginia planter views of the day. Did his practices, that you describe in the lead’s second paragraph, likewise reflect prevailing practices at comparable Virginia plantations of the day, or were there substantial
5245:"Privately, Washington considered plans in the mid 1790s to free all the slaves he controlled, but they could not be realized because of his failure to secure his own financial security and the refusal of his family to cooperate." Is "could not" too strong? Maybe "were not".
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I understand the need for caution in conflating fact with opinion, but the sources on which I've based that sentence are pretty clear in their assertions, it's not for us to second guess them, and there are no other sources that I know of which dispute what they are saying.
2006:"Slavery was introduced into the British colony of Virginia when the first Africans were transported to Point Comfort in 1619" - for such an important and academic discussion about slavery, I don't think you should use passive voice. Also, was it really British back in 1619?
1035:, “When a Knowledge (XXG) article is large, it is often written in summary style. This template is used after the heading of the summary, to link to the subtopic article that has been summarized....Use of this template should be restricted to the purposes described above.”
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labeling people groups "black" is erroneous as the people described as "black" have a brown skin color." I just quoted that from its lead, but it makes me think that you should use African-American consistently, or some other wording, like "people of African descent". ♫
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that discussion of a "paradox" looks odd if it's only in the opening paragraph. So, regardless of what is done with the opening paragraph, I recommend paraphrasing the following material (already provided above) in the body of the article (with the two footnotes):
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I did wonder why you picked up on the year. From memory, the abolitionist tendency began agitating for the end of the slave trade as soon as it was permitted per the terms of the agreement, i.e. 1807, but the law stopping it did not come into effect until 1808.
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as president in the "As President" section ("He had a keen sense both of the fragility of the fledgling Republic and of his place as a unifying figure, and he was determined not to endanger either by confronting an issue as divisive and entrenched as slavery".
2667:- repugnance feels like a strong word here, especially when you say later "The historians Philip D. Morgan and Peter Henriques are skeptical of Wiencek's conclusion and believe there is no evidence of any change in Washington's moral thinking at this stage"
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Washington's own words as written in the will: "To emancipate them during her life, would...be attended with such insuperable difficulties on account of their intermixture by Marriages with the dower Negroes, as to excite the most painful sensations..."
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The law did not set any age limits on emancipation, only that males under 21 and females under 18 and anyone over 45 had to be supported by the person who freed them. The sources don't make an issue of the fact that they remained enslaved until age 25.
2456:"Thus it was that Judge, an especially talented seamstress, and Hercules escaped in 1796 and 1797 respectively and eluded recapture." - you mentioned Hercules earlier as the chef. Is it worth mentioning that occupation again here? Might be worth it, IDK
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My concern here is that the first sentence leans towards the wider question of how the Revolution fought in the name of liberty preserved slavery rather than the contradictions in Washington's attitudes towards the institution. I suggest the following:
4659:"a statement that presaged Washington's emancipation of his slaves in his will a decade later." Isn't this opinion? Washington's inconsistent words and actions re slavery are clear but you seem to be drawing a connection here as a matter of fact.
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The lead is possibly too long but the article is very large. I can't see much that can be removed here but if you can, go ahead. It's important to keep in mind however, that the lead should properly summarise the article. Perhaps consider losing
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institution to disillusion with it, but retained slaves anyway. The article reflects that, and now the consensus appears to be that the Founding Father sentence I proposed properly introduces the article, per MOS guidelines. I'm going with that.
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The source is not very expansive on this. It simply says ", racial slavery and the necessary police powers had been written into law...In 1705 Virginia gathered up the random statutes of a whole generation and baled them into a 'slave code'..."
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That GW & slavery co-existed is self-evident and doesn't need stating. I think we should avoid trying to shoe-horn the title in just so that there's something to bold. That's how I ended up with the now rejected first sentence, and anyway
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material about the paradox of fighting for liberty while engaging in slavery. It’s an interesting article, I just don’t think it’s the best of the best. But I will wait and see what happens before definitely opposing the gold star. Cheers.
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The original wording reflected the fact that there were one or two artisans employed somewhere other than the main residence (if memory serves, carpenters at the Dogue Run mill), but this is a level of detail that does not need covering.
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limited exceptions such as X, Y, and Z (i.e. remove run-of-the-mill stuff from the second paragraph and only include the stuff Washington did differently). Both the run-of-the-mill stuff and the aberrations could go in the article body.
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I think this article has a lot of FA potential. My comments so far have focused on the lead. I have to bow out for a while at least, so I hope other editors will go ahead and make suggestions regarding the body of the article. Take
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As this hasn't been adequately explained yet, either link Mount Vernon in the lead or change to 'his family's estate'. My preference would be to do both say something like, "...317 slaves at his family's estate, Mount Vernon". Or
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My ignorance of the early American political system (and indeed, the system generally) is probably showing through here. Reworded to "He was president of a government that passed...", but happy to hear of any better alternative.
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Fair enough, but my objection to the wording still stands. What about "It is the paradox of George Washington and slavery that the man who successfully fought a war in the name of liberty owned slaves his entire adult life."?
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Ha ha, yes. Good point. Reworded to state "listed" rather than "controlled". The six were mentioned to avoid the eagle-eyed doing maths and pointing out that the numbers don't add up, but I've moved that into a footnote now.
2363:"There is evidence to suggest that white overseers – working in close proximity to slaves under the same demanding master and physically and socially isolated from their own peer group, a situation that drove some to drink –
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Maybe it's a britishism, but "lash out" does not mean to whip someone, it means to lose one's temper in an aggressive manner, either by striking someone or ranting at them. Is there an equivalent phrase in American English?
1026:
There is currently a hatnote containing three links: “Main articles: George Washington, Slavery in the colonial United States, and Slavery in the United States”. It would be better to work these links into the lead. Per
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Seems that between us we've come up with quite a neat solution. Thanks for that. I'm not sure the short first para has any basis in guideline, and don't see the problem in merging the current first two paras, but meh.
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The source does not explicitly say, but my assumption was that shorn wool is easier to steel than wool still attached to the sheep, and the washing of wool gave more opportunity for theft than the washing of sheep.
1123:, the lead summarises the most important details of the article. The guidelines on length are vague, and in a c.9,400-word article there is inevitably much ground to cover. Washington is not linked on first use per
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Don't see that as necessary. The point is the genuine affection, with Lee provided only as an example, not about Washington's relationship with Lee. I think that level of detail is best left to the article on Lee.
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No, I think I read it the same way once or twice during reading through. Amended to read "by feigning illness, and by running away." The "by" reinforces the comma in separating the items in the list. Work for you?
5329:"From the late 1760s, Washington became increasingly radicalized against the North American colonies' subservient status within the British Empire". "radicalized against" sounds odd to me. I suggest "opposed to".
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As to whether the lead should be re-jiggered, I agree that it would be nice to get a link to GW in the lead sentence, as long as we also use the title in bold per usual Knowledge (XXG) practice, maybe like this:
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I'm not sure I understand what you're driving at here. The narrative in the main body about the slave condition, in the "Slavery at Mount Vernon" section, represents approximately one third of the article. Per
2431:"betray the level of resistance" - this wording also feels needlessly complex. IDK, it doesn't sit well with me; you want the wording to be strong and engaging, but you don't want to confuse the reader either.
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I will have another scan through the sources I have, but from memory, very little mention is made in the secondary sources of any comparison between Washington and other Virginia/Founding-Father slaveholders.
4633:"and how willing the antislavery faction was to sacrifice abolition on the altar of national unity" This seems a bit flowery. And are we talking about abolition of slavery, or abolition of the slave trade?
2882:"As of late 2017, an archaeological project begun in 2014 has identified, without disturbing the contents, sixty-three burial plots in addition to seven plots known before the project began." - any update?
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prose, IMO. How about "Washington's first doubts about slavery were entirely economic, prompted by his transition from tobacco to grain crops in the 1760's which left him with a costly surplus of slaves."
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I like to re-link things in the main body, so probably would add a link to 'slavery' here but up to you. If you're not the sort who does this, consider whether the link to 'Mount Vernon' needs removing.
4549:"The output of seamstresses dropped off when Martha was away, and spinners found they could slacken by playing the overseers off against Martha. " Is the first Martha meant to be George, or Washington?
5007:"He became a leading figure in antislavery movements in France and Great Britain." When? Lafayette had a lot on his plate starting not long after 1786 and I'm not aware he spent much time in Britain.
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The sources are not clear, though there are implications that African-Americans served alongside whites in mixed-race regiments and Wiencek quotes a primary source that explicitly states they did so.
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I replaced surfeit with surplus throughout. Is that also enough to clarify what changed about the economics? I'm hesitant to expand on that in the lead as it would be too much, I think, for the lead.
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Okay, I agree. The rule says, “If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the opening sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it.“
2940:
Thanks for the replies! The article is really looking to be in good shape, and it won't take me much to support. There are just a few points that still don't sit well with me, which I replied to. ♫
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Thanks again. I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to provide feedback. I've addressed the majority of issues you've raised in this second tranche, though in some cases with a pushback.
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Much appreciated. I wonder whether the first sentence needs a comma or two - after "slaveowner" and "slavery" is what I'd suggest personally. I think the lead is a lot stronger than what it was. ♫
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Thanks so much for all of your hard work on this significant historic article. I hope my comments weren't too arduous or pedantic, but I truly believe they helped the article, and so I'm happy to
2600:, so a president hitting someone with their boots is worth noting, even if it requires a few extra words. I'd rather the article be specific, if possible, than use the more generic "lash out". ♫
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The slaves received both harsh words and more physical rebukes, but a hefty clip round the ear or a pair of boots being launched at the head is not a flogging, which has a very specific meaning.
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If by "lash out" you include striking someone, then that would be notable, and contradictory to GW not flogging the slaves. You could say "did on occasion verbally berate when they failed..." ♫
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I don't think he controlled the dead ones. Presumably we don't know the actual number of dead so deducting them isn't an option. Perhaps we can reword slightly? Again, as yet, no suggestions.
2115:"In 1671, Virginia counted 6,000 white indentured servants among its 40,000 population but only 2,000 blacks, up to a third of whom in some counties were free." - this should be two sentences
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OK. The original is technically correct, but the single "her" is not wrong, and it's only a matter of time before someone else removes it thinking it is a duplicate word error, so removed.
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To quote the source, "...the slaves received at most only one blanket per year." Thompson discusses the ambiguity in the primary sources surrounding whether blankets were issued annually.
2367:." - the "there is evidence" doesn't sit well with me (seems vague/peacock-y), and the last part (in bold) just feels like it's out of a history book written in the 1800s. The article on
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There's one instance of the indefinite article - "...a Continental Army that was more integrated..." - which is, I believe, a perfectly legitimate construction (and an elegant one IMO).
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Yea, it's an issue with the term. Is "blacks" really the best term to make it non-biased and encyclopediac? Later in the article you say the much more appropriate "African Americans". ♫
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Unfortunately it looks as though this candidate is headed for the archive bin for lack of reviewers. But thanks for your input; it has generated improvements. Take care & stay safe.
4474:"Washington provided slaves with a blanket each fall at most, which they used for their own bedding and which they were required to use to gather leaves for livestock bedding." at most?
1701:"and as another source of income, feigning illness and running away." - I'm probably reading this wrong, but how can feigning illness be another source of income? The wording is unclear
4806:"the estate had grown by only 10 percent to some 8,000-acre (3,200 ha)" Is this a reference to what he owned (some of which was operated by tenant farmers) or what he himself operated?
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what you mean about the second para in the lead though - I was never quite happy with that myself. I will look into reworking it to be a little more summary and a little less detail.
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chapter. I don't see what more I can add to the article on this aspect that isn't already there. I've spent the best part of the day looking into this, and I'm not sure the article
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Reworded to "Washington declared in a letter to his friend and neighbor Alexander Spotswood that he was "...principled agt. selling Negroes, as you would Cattle in the market...""
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rebellion was won. Whilst that paradox is not central to this article, it would be remiss not to mention Washington's contribution to it. So yes, I think the quotes are important.
728:. I recall reading that James Madison equipped his slaves with umbrellas, and if Washington did anything unusual like that, then it would be more suitable for this article's lead.
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Thank you for the thorough review. I'm very happy for the support, but even if you had chosen to oppose, your input has materially improved the article, for which I am grateful.
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imperatives remained an important consideration with regard to Washington's personal position as a slaveholder and his efforts to free himself from his dependency on slavery.");
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Mmmm, okay. I thought sheep were always washed before because it's easier to wash wool while it's still on the sheep. Happy to let it stand though. BTW I think you mean steal,
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The details have always been there in the footnote at the end of the sentence, but I've expanded the sentence now to read "but he did on occasion lash out in a flash of temper
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I suppose so. The issue with "expressed repugnance" with "expressed his repugnance" is the latter implies he felt it. Compare "expressed sadness" vs. "expressed his sadness".
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I don't see that implication myself, even after it's been pointed out. Not sure how to address this. Maybe "and some of Lawrence's slaves are known to have been christened."?
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Good catch. Deleted the reference to Harris. To explain, the tales were in circulation before Harris published them (and in fact he learned of them as a teenager from slaves)
5270:"The institution was rooted in race with the Virginia Slave Codes of 1705". Rooted in race because the code said that only Africans could be slaves? If so, you should say so.
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Food for thought: “George Washington and slavery paired a man known for advancing human freedom with its antithesis....”. This is the central contradiction of this article.
4705:"Recognizing his public and symbolic role as figurehead for the revolution and the new nation, he realized that to speak out on such a sensitive issue would be foolhardy."
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The external links give only one link to mountvernon.org but it might be very useful to list and briefly describe the relevant web pages at mountvernon.org. For example,
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Struggling to see what's wrong with the original wording. Will come back to this, but I will say that "inherited slaves through inheritance" is not, IMO, an improvement.
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Reworded to "Washington's attempts to disentangle himself from slavery..." (based on the source which words it as: "attempts to extricate himself from the institution")
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It’s kind of tedious to dwell on the first couple sentences, but it usually turns out to be worth it. We can come back to it, maybe others will be able to cut the knot.
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Attributed quote to Washington. The quote is there as a window on Washington's attitude to slavery, that he saw their diligent acquiescence to slavery as their duty.
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It is unambiguously clear from the source that Washington is referring to the colonials as slaves of the British, not to the institution of slavery in the colonies.
3962:"They represented less than three percent of all American forces mobilized, though in 1778 they provided between six and thirteen percent of the Continental Army"
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I did consider commas, but I don't think they work. Certainly, commas after slaveowner and slavery would create a parenthetical clause where none should exist.
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As much as I enjoy dramatised documentaries designed for popular consumption, I don't think they're the kind of high quality, scholarly source expected at FAC;
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I've clarified the leasing by rewording the sentence to state "He leased Mount Vernon from Lawrence's widow two years after his brother's death in 1752..."
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Hi, I don't think we've ever archived a nom for want of a source review and I wasn't planning to set a precedent now -- let's see what turns up... Cheers,
4524:"and some of the Mount Vernon slaves are known to have been christened before Washington acquired the estate." This implies he put an end to such things.
4449:"In 1799, nearly three-quarters of the slaves, over half of that quantity female, worked in the fields. " I might say " ... over half of them female ..."
1981:"Politically, Washington was concerned that such a divisive issue as slavery should not threaten national unity,"- how come you link slavery again here?
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by sale. Those are already covered in the article. I'll check through the sources tomorrow to see if there's anything that can be added on that subject.
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its preponderance in the sources. Can you clarify your concerns about the "repugnance" example? I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at there.
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deliberate act of commerce. I would also note that the source also uses the passive voice: "...the first Africans were brought to Jamestown in 1619..."
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It's unfortunate that I cannot convince you that the article is worthy of a star, but I do appreciate the time you've given to reviewing it. Thank you.
5220:"His public words and deeds at the end of the American Revolutionary War betrayed no antislavery sentiments." It would be helpful to add the date here.
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Do the sources consider this to be unusual thing to do? I provide my car with costly servicing and fuel but only because I want it to continue working.
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The statement about slavery being ingrained into colonial Virginia is, I think, worth keeping, and can be moved to the the start of the next sentence.
241:), so failing the above, is there a license relating to a government-published document owned by the government, even if not originally created by it?
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Thank you. Appreciate your input. I've responded above and made changes to the article accordingly. There are some points I need to think on further.
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OK. I've replaced the LoC lic tag with PD-old-70 and added a statement about the assumption of authorship to the Commons info. Thanks for your help.
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I don't see why these last two minor quibbles need hold up my support however. Although my support is conditional on a successful source review.--
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The physical rebuke by Washington is certainly notable. Even if it's not a "flogging", it's still a physical assault. Hell, we have an article on
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Not sure what the issue is here. If it's the use of the term, then I've been very careful throughout to replicate the terms used in the sources.
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That's it for right now. I do feel you might want to look things over with an eye to my comment re closet abolitionist narrative just above.--
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Some heirs are named in the article, but only those relevant to the subject, and only at the end of the article when they become relevant.
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These are the overseers words. Isn't the strong inference that these are the overseers' words enough? Do we really need to spell it out?
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Washington did not himself flog slaves, but he did on occasion lash out in a flash of temper when they failed to perform as he expected.
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4716:"He was not about to risk this role in what he certainly regarded as a quixotic attempt to challenge the South's peculiar institution."
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Estate map doubled in size, alt text added, dead source link resurrected and date of original memorial added to image info on Commons.
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and slaveowner who became uneasy with the institution of slavery but provided for the emancipation of his slaves only after his death.
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I think it's the lack of the oxford comma and the "inherited slaves again" that doesn't sit well with me, but it's not a big deal. ♫
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I think the article is focussed. It is long and I've looked at ways of cutting it down but all seems to be relevant, in my opinion.
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Fair point. I will work on this. Leads are always difficult to get right, and it will take some time. Can you bear with me please?
1405:“ow is it that the Revolution preserved slavery? George Washington, the slaveholder who led the war for liberty, personifies that
5296:"among them the tales of Br'er Rabbit which, with their origins in Africa" I am doubtful about this. According to the article on
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I think the article sums up this difficult topic well, as well as chronicling Washington's ever-inconsistent words and actions.--
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I'm working on the principle that we don't duplicate links or full names after the first instance, so why do it for professions.
751:(1b. comprehensive), and the coverage in the main body of the article is significant enough to warrant coverage in the lead, per
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I've recast the lead to better introduce the topic. It means losing the bolded title usually included in that sentence, but per
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4399:"Martha for the Custis heirs" I think these were her children (at least at that time) I might at some point say who they were.
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On a second reading, I agree with you. I don't know why but that wasn't how it sounded in my head when I initially read it.--
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Always been an Oxford comma person myself, but for some reason I stopped using them in WP articles. I've put one in here.
1683:"comparable to general practise at the time but not always adequate" does not apply to the medicalcare, hence separation.
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3972:, 3% of all forces but during 1778 it could've been as high as 13% (and therefore very much lower than 3% in other years)
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Yea, I think you should make it wordier, I didn't get it immediately that "chargers" were the ones who were in charge. ♫
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This could be a case where it would be more useful to directly quote the historian. "Historian Henry Weincek wrote that
4702:"...Washington knew that the eminence of his public positions made it imprudent for him to speak openly about slavery."
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The historian Henry Wiencek concludes that the repugnance Washington felt at this cruelty in which he had participated
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his entire adult life. He became uneasy with an institution that was ingrained in the economic and social fabric of
2755:"But there is no indication Washington ever favored an immediate end to slavery." - don't start sentence with "But"
3624:. I think perhaps 'on carts' is better or may be 'with horse and cart', as it's the horse that's doing the moving.
3362:"Agricultural land required labor to be productive, and in the 18th-century American south that meant slave labor"
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5355:"provided materiel and financial support in French efforts to suppress the Saint Domingue slave revolt in 1791" "
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Bing! Of course. I don't know why I didn't consider that scenario. Worth some extra explaining though, I think.--
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The two links are to different articles, the first on slavery in the colonies, the second on slavery in the USA.
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or whatever the quote is. Otherwise, the "repugnance" isn't the worst term to use here, I won't make a stink. ♫
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4018:"The first indication of a shift in Washington's thinking on slavery... ...in correspondence of 1778 and 1779"
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2090:"Those who accepted Christianity became "Christian servants" with time-limited servitude" - why the quotes?
1409:.” Wiencek, Henry. An Imperfect God; George Washington, His Slaves, and the Creation of America, p. (2013).
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1338:, and figured I should review someone else's article. I'm an American, getting that bias out of the way.
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3282:. I don't understand how Washington could lease land in 1754, that he apparently didn't own until 1761.
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The current opening paragraph is seven sentences long, instead of two as I propose. Maybe an RFC?
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That's much better, since "colored" is an archaic term for people of African descent in the US. ♫
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This would be followed by a paragraph break. And here is the first sentence in the article now:
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Re-worded to "Able-bodied slaves were freed and left to support themselves and their families."
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I did not see that at all. Removed "his" from the three places where this wording was used
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I can think of no alternative way to express this, and it's the term used in the sources.
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The ability to spell correctly is one of the first casualties of a poor night's sleep :)
3110:"Some three-quarters of the slaves labored in the fields, while most of the remainder..."
2291:"For Washington..." changed to "In Washington's view..." to clearly attribute the quote.
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has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see
2147:"where some forty percent of the population" - I believe this should be written as "40%"
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even says that the term is archaic. The "their charges" specifically seems out of place
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OK, that's fine then. The article is about GW, not explicitly about the slave trade. ♫
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Just noting I've seen that there's a request for a source review at WT:FAC. Cheers,
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Nothing wrong with starting a sentence with "But", unless it's done too many times.
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I think not. "...and in the 18th-century American south..." is not parenthitical.
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Reworded to "indicate the resistance displayed by the slaves against the system."
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Don't see this myself. Where are you suggesting the split, at "but" or at ", up"?
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If only 'most' of the remainder, what were the remainder of the remainder doing?
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fact that the document is held by the Library of Congress. Is that acceptable?
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It's only a paradox if you believe liberty was the reason for going to war.--
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on both male and female slaves if they did not "do their duty by fair means."
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Awkward prose. Martha both times, but changed the second instance to "her".
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Are we talking about Washington's family home or the slaves main residence?
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Unnecessarily pedantic of me in the lead. Simplified by removing "most of".
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Although not stated explicitly above, the ES provided with this SR states "
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Clarified by rewording to state "...the Mount Vernon estate had grown..."
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The agreement was not to attempt to halt the trade for at least 20 years.
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I will start with just a few comments, and maybe later will comment more.
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1232:, and ultimately provided for the emancipation of his slaves in his will.
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the article and therefore warrants the summary it receives in the lead.
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practicing slavery, or at least how he dealt with that apparent paradox.
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successfully led a war in the name of liberty, but it is the paradox of
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successfully led a war in the name of liberty, but it is the paradox of
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Added and cited to primary source (secondary does not date the quote).
3571:"Washington provided them with good, sometimes costly medical care...."
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Just for the record, here are the first two sentences that I propose:
391:, this requirement is not set in stone. How does that look to you now?
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Hi, thanks for pinging me. Of course, here's what the lead says now:
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Forgot to report back on this one earlier. Not necessary and removed
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when they failed to perform as he expected." Does that work for you?
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but provided for the emancipation of his slaves only after his death.
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Hatnotes removed and their links now embedded in the lead narrative.
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I've trimmed the detail from the sentences you've cited. Any better?
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The vagaries of English; Washington was the lessee, not the lessor.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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accomplishes that extra explaining, or do you think it needs more?
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The list is part of the collection of Washington's papers (source:
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Okay, it's just a very neat coincidence that 1807 is the year the
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How does washing sheep before shearing prevent the theft of wool?
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Don't see the issue myself, but changed to "influenced" anyway.
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You vary between "the" Continental Army and "a Continental Army"
2481:"He opposed the use of the lash" - link lash here? Or whip? IDK
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by LOC, not held by them. Is the authorship of the list known?
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Knowledge (XXG):Manual_of_Style/Lead_section#Opening_paragraph
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Again, I don't see what can be done to make things clearer.--
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If it's now been linked earlier, remove link to Mount Vernon.
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/freedman
3468:"... making him one of the largest slaveholders in the area"
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Replaced "their charges" with "the slaves they supervised".
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A discussion I have no intention of going anywhere near :)
3364:. I think that needs a (paranthetical) comma after 'south'.
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Presumably the clarification mentioned below about leasing
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All good points. All addressed with edits to the article.
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Other than the unnecessary "also", I'm inclined to agree.
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OK. Thanks. I'll hang tight and hope something turns up.
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I don't think it too strong and would prefer to keep it.
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have any questions, and thanks for the replies so far. ♫
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and slaveowner who became uneasy with the institution of
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After a little more digging, I have found the following:
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Yes, I meant to be clear that the source review passed.
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I might say when Jefferson made the quote-box quotation.
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indicating that he is against slavery in all it's forms.
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Sorry, should have read the following sentences first.--
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I see now that this is all explained in the main body.--
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2a, it is a requirement to summarise that in the lead.
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Up to the years as president. All looks good so far.--
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Okay, I don't see how anything can be improved here.--
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Washington had anti-slavery sentiments at that time.--
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Acquired how? Did he buy more at the lessee's request?
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Agreed. Not a level of detail required in the lead.--
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Just checked the source, and no, nothing after 2017.
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That's fine then if it's the term used in sources. ♫
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describes the typical condition of slaves during the
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slaves in his will.” Then bold the first four words.
788:Not quite sure what you're getting at with linking
5577:". Is there anything more required on this front?
5300:the character is first recorded in the stories of
5661:The above discussion is preserved as an archive.
4198:"...that betrayed a continuing prioritisation..."
3470:. Can we define area better? Do we mean Virginia?
1559:will.” So, my advice would be to leave it as-is.
974:should definitely be in the external links, IMHO.
903:Done, insofar as the sources identify this info.
5304:, a late nineteenth century defender of slavery.
4838:Washington specifically marked it as "Private".
1418:The Challenge of the American Revolution (1978).
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5136:the "closet abolitionist" narrative so much as
2365:indulged in carnal relations with their charges
43:. No further edits should be made to this page.
4696:To quote the sources, first Kenneth Morgan...
468:I gave this another try. Feel free to revert.
5667:No further edits should be made to this page.
5640:template in place on the talk page until the
5195:This one really had me searching. Thank you.
4233:"Five freedwomen were listed as remaining..."
4173:Not sure that it matters, but changed anyway
29:The following is an archived discussion of a
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4253:No, I think the concatenation is valid. See
3982:conclusions of research by modern scholars.
1431:that he owned slaves his entire adult life."
3546:Thank you. Appreciate you looking at this.
2029:writing stronger, being in active voice. ♫
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4235:I think freed women is two separate words.
3734:Is the word 'nevertheless' necessary here?
665:As for the rest of the opening paragraph,
367:Sure, take your time, there’s no deadline.
2708:In that case, then, I'll leave it as is.
2674:It's the word that Wiencek himself uses.
129:File:GW-painting.jpg: source link is dead
4243:"...illegal to teach freedpeople to..."'
3622:"...small enough to be moved with carts"
1334:I came here because I have an FAC up on
119:Suggest scaling up the estate map and ad
5088:Footnote 2 seems to be formatted oddly.
4784:Removed the anti/proslavery adjectives
3614:"Other slaves at the main residence..."
2618:with verbal abuse and physical violence
1387:emancipation of his slaves in his will.
3336:No, no further action required here.--
2544:- what does lash out, if not flogging?
1448:Thanks for dropping by again. How the
972:this description of his changing views
3695:is something entirely different :) --
2690:Washington felt a sense of repugnance
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3636:I think 'smoky' is preferred Am Eng.
1798:Yea I think that's much stronger. ♫
1495:Founding Father of the United States
1243:Founding Father of the United States
3072:I think you mean Americanized :) --
4200:Prioritization in Am Eng, I think.
1767:explain the sequence/narrative. ♫
1514:a requirement, at least half way.
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4113:Abolition of the Slave Trade Act
2598:a president getting hit by shoes
1828:, free or slave," - ehh, really?
1824:"he initially refused to accept
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2514:impudence and refusing to work.
194:That tag is intended for works
5531:Source review by Mike Christie
3634:"...the interiors were smokey"
1349:President of the United States
1305:To address your other points:
790:History of slavery in Virginia
772:History of slavery in Virginia
726:History of slavery in Virginia
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5442:Thank you. Much appreciated.
4611:Thank you. Much appreciated.
2487:- why the quote? Who said it?
1429:George Washington and slavery
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73:George Washington and slavery
5154:I've addressed that there.--
5635:featured article candidates
2213:, ditto "seventy-one" later
1413:every hour of the day. The
321:Comments by Anythingyouwant
31:featured article nomination
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4245:Again, two words, I think.
3762:Link Philadelphia (para 3)
3605:"At the main residence..."
2125:Ehh it's fine actually. ♫
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4029:Answered above, I think.
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2995:13:28, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
2977:13:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
2965:it for FAC. Great job! ♫
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2936:15:58, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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2024:10:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
1998:10:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
1973:10:24, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
1963:Now consistently tensed.
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1915:19:48, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
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1876:16:03, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
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1281:Comments from JohnWickTwo
1204:10:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
1174:10:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
1137:10:38, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
1115:20:32, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
1063:14:54, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
1045:20:34, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
625:21:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
610:14:52, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
5664:Please do not modify it.
3480:Fairfax County, Virginia
3258:That seems reasonable.--
1522:) 10:48, 4 April 2020 (
940:about general practice.
36:Please do not modify it.
4278:Okay, live and learn.--
4191:Posthumous emancipation
3564:Slavery at Mount Vernon
1938:Use "demands" instead.
1505:This complies with the
3012:some comments though:
2097:The source uses them.
1390:
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1222:Washington and slavery
440:advises against that.
5366:Indeed. Much better.
3785:Link Potomac (para 4)
3478:Replaced "area" with
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889:article. That’s all.
5302:Joel Chandler Harris
4161:Do you perhaps mean
2634:Much appreciated! ♫
4392:Comments by Wehwalt
4047:Confederation years
3811:American Revolution
1658:Agreed & done.
1230:his native Virginia
232:Library of Congress
5575:Source review pass
5420:No more comments.
5215:Comments by Dudley
4710:...then Twohig...
4115:came into force.--
4079:Presidential years
3031:Good catch. Done.
1723:Yea that works. ♫
1398:User:Hurricanehink
4208:Yep. Good catch.
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4335:But up to you.
3529:More to come.--
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992:Yep. Added.
822:differences?
749:FAC criteria
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114:Image review
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5402:Thank you.
3007:from Ykraps
1578:the FAC. ♫
1288:JohnWickTwo
703:Looks good.
5559:Thank you
5460:Coord note
3966:throughout
3693:steel wool
3662:Resistance
3230:Background
2311:Whitsunday
1450:Revolution
1029:WP:Hatnote
277:Nikkimaria
200:Nikkimaria
141:Nikkimaria
5628:WP:FAC/ar
5624:candidate
4226:Aftermath
3418:As above
2211:WP:MOSNUM
385:MOS:FIRST
5646:Ian Rose
5622:: This
5601:contribs
5579:Factotem
5561:Factotem
5546:contribs
5513:Factotem
5499:Ian Rose
5485:Factotem
5481:Ian Rose
5466:Ian Rose
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3023:similar.
3005:Comments
3003:Support
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1267:Ian Rose
1196:Factotem
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1121:MOS:LEAD
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54:Ian Rose
50:promoted
5605:library
5550:library
5479:Thanks
5422:Support
5179:Wehwalt
5175:Support
5156:Wehwalt
5134:accepts
5115:Wehwalt
4599:Wehwalt
4298:General
3970:average
2963:Support
2516:- ditto
1499:slavery
1415:paradox
1407:paradox
1006:Thanks.
917:Thanks.
511:Agreed
196:created
5095:Fixed
4363:Ykraps
4280:Ykraps
4117:Ykraps
3998:Ykraps
3942:Ykraps
3874:Ykraps
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3697:Ykraps
3616:Ditto.
3582:Ykraps
3531:Ykraps
3388:Ykraps
3338:Ykraps
3306:Ykraps
3260:Ykraps
3179:Ykraps
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3074:Ykraps
2319:Done.
1826:blacks
1493:was a
1241:was a
1226:slaves
58:FACBot
5227:Done
5016:trade
4581:Done
4456:Done
4061:Done
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3768:Done
3212:Done
2309:Link
1903:Fixed
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