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475:"is roughly oval- or bowl-shaped" kinda confused me at first read without considering the deeper explanation in the article. When it's not explained that the distinction is because two different sources say different things, it's confusing (at least to me) because it would seem obvious that something looked like-- in fact, surely it could be oval 98:
After the Duckport Canal FAC was archived due to inactivity, I was given a waiver of the normal two-week waiting period. So now follows a hopefully more interesting subject - a minor Confederate fortification in southwestern Arkansas. It's short, but I believe it is as comprehensive as can be,
557:"In places, the field of fire of the positions was not properly cleared and enemy troops" would it be more accurate, perhaps, to say "the field of fire was limited by incomplete clearing"? Since my understanding of 'field of fire' is that it is the area that can actually be reached by weaponfire 190: 220:, but I will also comment on anything that could be improved. I'll post up some comments below over the next couple days, which you should either respond to, or ask me questions on issues you are unsure of. I'll be claiming points towards the 129:"and when beginning the Camden Expedition in March, decided to veer to the west and move through Arkadelphia instead" - don't think you need that comma after March (or if you do then you also need one before "when") 482:
the source that calls it bowl-shaped also states that it is "roughly oval-shaped" within the same paragraph, and the oval shape is what's most commonly used, so I've simply removed the references to bowl-shaped
761:"and fills a city block". I very much doubt this. Do you mean 'Made of earth, it is roughly 2,000 by 1,000 by 2,000 by 500 feet (610 m × 300 m × 610 m × 150 m), approximately the same size as a city block. 246:
It's discussed a bit more in the body - there's some uncertainty as to what exactly the original name was. Southerland is what's generally "stuck", but several historians question the accuracy of it
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That's pretty much all I came up with, hopefully some of it is helpful. Pretty nice little article. Please go easy on me, it's been a while since I reviewed much of anything. Best,
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Just to be clear, given the innocuous nature of my source review I don't consider it necessary to recuse coord duties so will shortly be promoting this. Cheers,
571:"Union supply trains were captured in the battles of" I think it might need to be made a bit more clear that by this point Camden was held by Union forces...? 395:
Only two pieces of media in the article: a freely-licensed relevant image of the site as it currently (in relative terms) stands and a location map. Passed.
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Not that I can find. Minor features like this generally only get attention when some sort of special event is occurring, like the NRHP nomination.
501:"but according to historian William L. Shea, are more accurately termed redoubts" my brain wants a comma after 'but', as well. Is that correct? 305:
I'm a bit worried about the amount of words that are complicated for the sake of it - I mentioned "emplaced", but the lede also has "extant".
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Suggest running Construction and Description together. It seems odd to have them separated by History. And there is a little overlap.
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although there is some confusion about the original name (spoiler: it's fairly likely that it's on the NRHP under the wrong name).
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Fort Southerland was included in Fort Southerland Park - "included" is a weird word, why not say "sits within" or lies within?
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Checked Baker, Bearss, Shea, and both Christ sources and none of them are clear about exactly how this was measured
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I'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the
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and none of them so much as mention the fort so feeling good that there's nothing much missing from the article.
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At one point the adjective "earthen" had been in there, but I never fixed the syntax when "earthen" was removed
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Can see no reliability or formatting issues in this short and sweet collection of references -- GTG. Cheers,
753:"Fort Southerland was located on a hilltop". "was"? Has it since moved? Or perhaps the valley has silted up? 769:
Are these measurements from the outer edge of the ditches, the inner edge of the banks, or something else?
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The impact of the Civil War and reconstruction on Arkansas : persistence in the midst of ruin
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Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I have some at
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has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see
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I did have a look at the remainder of the article, and can't see any further issues.
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Any way to add a caption to the IBox? It's not exactly clear what we're looking at
737:"Redoubt D was actually known as Fort Southerland". Does "actually" add anything? 938: 57: 487:"After the Confederates retook Camden," perhaps add date or some sense of time? 592:
Not entirely clear from Shea, so I've rephrased it to "A line of trenches ..."
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I'm not an expert on Arkansas in the war, but I have checked the indexes of
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possibly Fort Diamond - how can something be "possibly" known as something?
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Have tried to clarify, although it may wind up making the sentence awkward
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bowl shaped... Is there any way this might be more elegantly phrased?
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Is Shea's questioning of the accuracy for the same reason as Christ?
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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I'm bad with commas so I'll go with your gut instinct and add it
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I'm not sure I understand what "earthen" means in this context.
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Why is "Camden Expedition and modern history" one section?
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I've merged them together, which should resolve the overlap
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Shea just says "the accuracy of that name is questionable"
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BTW if you had any spare time and fancied taking a look at
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is there a reason for "An redoubt" rather than "a"?
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Knowledge:Featured article candidates
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Ian Rose
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Fort Southerland
Hog Farm
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13:23, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
Hog Farm
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13:23, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
ChrisTheDude
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14:31, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
ChrisTheDude
Hog Farm
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19:20, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
this current FAC
ChrisTheDude
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20:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Lee Vilenski
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wikicup
Lee Vilenski
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