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Re George Beath: In modern New Zealand, "partner" means romantic partner, possibly more so than in other Western countries, but I agree it is inappropriate and confusing in this context. I considered "boyfriend" but I think that would also be inappropriate for that era. The source does not say they
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For the petition, if you accept the copyright belongs to the original petition and not the much later digitisation of it, Sheppard was the author and she died in 1934. The photo of the National Council of Women has an unknown photographer, so its copyright status depends on when it was published. I
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Each of the three images you identify have rationales as to why they are in the public domain in New Zealand. I'm not a copyright expert, and if these rationals are not sufficient, I'm happy to remove the images from the article. The photographer of the Vogel portrait died in 1919 and the photo was
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Relative Statistics seems to be a term used by the prohibition movement and I cannot find a definition of it. In the American temperance movement, the equivalent position was at one time called "Relation of Intemperance to Labor and Capital with Relative Statistics" (source:
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The Auckland Museum was not able to supply this to me today, although they do have it, so I found a copy at University of Auckland. The photo was published in 1896, and I have updated the Commons description accordingly. Thanks to
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I have changed the tags of these three images to PD-US-unpublished. If there is evidence found that any have been published, then the original tags were correct. If this is not an acceptable solution, I will request assistance at
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I will be on holiday and unavailable to respond from 6 August to 21 August. Please don't close this FAC due to lack of response during this period. Other editors may be able to address issues raised while I'm
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I will be unable to make any substantial contributions from now until 22 August, as I will have limited internet and only a mobile phone to access it with. I remain committed to the featured article process.-
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This article is about the leader of the New Zealand suffrage movement, which gained votes for women 125 years ago on 19 September 1893. The first election in which women could vote was held on 28 November
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On the other hand, "Women and the vote: Introduction" and "1893 women's suffrage petition" from New Zealand History are not used in the article. Suggest moving them to the Further Reading section.
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Oh, I didn't see the previous reply - sorry. This page wasn't on my watchlist (it is now). Let me know if you have success today / find the time to go. If not, I'll ask at the local museum here.
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File:Julius_Vogel,_ca_1870s.jpg: when/where was this first published? Same with File:Women's_Suffrage_Petition_1893_(9365778997).jpg, File:National_Council_of_Women,_Christchurch,_1896.jpg.
546:" it was not until 1933 that the first woman was elected to parliament" No change needed, but I see Britain was ahead of NZ on this, and presumably on first woman cabinet minister with 503:" a position through which she elevated the cause of suffrage in New Zealand" A bit clumsy. Maybe " and she used the position to advance the cause of female suffrage in New Zealand" 642:. The article has now certainly reached FA standard. (I went ahead and made a few last-minute copy edits rather than compiling a list of further matters requiring attention.)-- 219:
I would happily change the tags of the first two to PD-old-70, but that tag says it also needs a US-specific tag. This needs someone well-versed in copyright law to sort out.-
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Documentary Research Centre. If needed, I'd be happy to enquire with them (a) whether they hold this edition and (b) whether they give me access. Let me know if it's needed.
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Also as this appears to be the nominator's first FAC, I'd like to see a spotcheck of sources for accurate usage and avoidance of plagiarism or close paraphrasing.
786:: I will be promoting this shortly. Just a few little points that don't need to hold up promotion but I would be grateful if someone could take a look at them. 254:
entry. I'd say this is highly likely (what else would they mean by giving this reference?). But one way to know for sure is to go to a library and have a look.
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were lovers at that point, nor whether they were engaged. "Suitor" might work, but I went with "future husband" which makes no assumptions at all.
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I've looked into the issue whether the third photo (New Zealand Council of Women) was published in the 16 May 1896 edition of
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I've scaled up the images suggested. I think perhaps the petition is now too large but I'll leave it for further comment.
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Thank you for your copyedits, and your support. You have a great ability to turn convoluted prose into plain English!-
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Thank you for your review, and if my changes are not satisfactory I am very happy to discuss further improvements.-
597:"A brief history of the Woman's Christian Temperance Union : outline course of study for local unions", section 36 175: 527:"George Beath, the partner of Kate's sister Marie" What does partner mean here - lover? fiancé? business partner? 232: 205:, not simply creation. If a pre-1923 publication can't be demonstrated, a different tag would need to be used. 417:
fn 100, 101, 106, 108, 116 and 117 differ from the rest. Suggest moving them down into the sources to match.
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Thank you for your suggestions, which definitely improved the article. And thank you for your support.-
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I think ref formatting has been checked above but we still need signoff on source quality/reliability.
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We are not consistent with the giving the location of a publisher. It needs to be one or the other.
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taken in the 1870s, so it is clearly public domain as New Zealand uses life of author plus 50 years.
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The primary issue in these cases is the US status - they currently use tags indicating a pre-1923
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I can go to the Auckland Museum today if you have not already had a chance to look at this.-
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has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see
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Yes please. If you find you don't have time, I can look in the Auckland Museum library.-
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Thanks for the feedback. I'll tackle these in the morning, about 12 hours from now.-
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FN #8 - used thrice and material faithful to source (can't check the school bit).
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I had to click on the link to find out what they call "football" in New Zealand
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Many thanks. Your writing is in very good shape, and easy to follow. - Dank (
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
513:"she successfully advocated for women's suffrage" I think the wod 553:"but also found time to promote " I would delete "found time" 369:. Well done. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. 506:"Kate Sheppard promoted suffrage" I think you need to say 178:
am not clear on whether this photo was published in the
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FN #118 - used once and material faithful to source
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FN #3 - used twice and material faithful to source.
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No further edits should be made to this page. 690:You can make requests for these at the top of 879:No further edits should be made to this page. 852:template in place on the talk page until the 559:A first rate article but some minor niggles. 29:The following is an archived discussion of a 8: 18:Knowledge (XXG):Featured article candidates 256:Nine libraries hold copies of this journal 808:As we are referencing a print version of 153:Suggest scaling up the comic and petition 810:The Dictionary of New Zealand biography 620:- and sorry I forgot to do it earlier. 7: 709:I have made a request as suggested.- 24: 258:and the closest one to me is the 578: 233:Commons:Village pump/Copyright 1: 533:What are Relative Statistics? 190:might have more information.- 866:20:02, 29 August 2018 (UTC) 847:featured article candidates 825:20:02, 29 August 2018 (UTC) 796:20:02, 29 August 2018 (UTC) 779:13:52, 29 August 2018 (UTC) 742:13:37, 29 August 2018 (UTC) 716:08:45, 22 August 2018 (UTC) 704:05:14, 14 August 2018 (UTC) 668:22:17, 11 August 2018 (UTC) 652:14:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC) 630:18:35, 13 August 2018 (UTC) 142:08:45, 22 August 2018 (UTC) 31:featured article nomination 896: 129:06:02, 5 August 2018 (UTC) 801:We have no publisher for 609:22:53, 13 July 2018 (UTC) 569:11:42, 13 July 2018 (UTC) 492:19:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC) 480:12:48, 26 June 2018 (UTC) 461:23:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC) 450:06:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC) 439:06:51, 24 June 2018 (UTC) 401:12:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC) 391:03:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC) 379:00:32, 24 June 2018 (UTC) 323:20:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC) 305:20:36, 28 June 2018 (UTC) 287:08:04, 25 June 2018 (UTC) 276:05:57, 25 June 2018 (UTC) 242:23:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC) 226:20:55, 23 June 2018 (UTC) 215:19:26, 23 June 2018 (UTC) 197:18:45, 23 June 2018 (UTC) 166:15:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC) 135:Now back in New Zealand.- 116:20:12, 22 July 2018 (UTC) 103:05:52, 22 June 2018 (UTC) 88:05:52, 22 June 2018 (UTC) 876:Please do not modify it. 64:) 20:02, 29 August 2018 36:Please do not modify it. 248:The New Zealand Graphic 750:Sources look reliable. 373:are my edits. - Dank ( 812:, do we have an ISBN? 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Kate Sheppard
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05:52, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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05:52, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
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20:12, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
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08:45, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
Nikkimaria
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15:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Schwede66
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18:45, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
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19:26, 23 June 2018 (UTC)
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