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My sources don't deal with this, but German submarines were not very successful in attacking Allied warships unless they laid in wait outside a port or were escorting slower merchantmen. This was, I expect, because warships typically travelled at speeds that the submarines couldn't match, even on the
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The statement in the lead that "By 1942, the Royal Navy was very short of aircraft carriers and Argus was pressed into front-line service despite her lack of speed and armament." isn't directly supported by material in the body of the article (though I believe that it's correct)
419:"the ship was heavily involved for several years in the development of the optimum design for other aircraft carriers, various types of arresting gear and general procedures needed to operate a number of aircraft in concert, and fleet cooperation" - this is a bit of a mouthful 475:"As it was originally designed for an ocean liner, her hull was built to minimise rolling and most of the changes made to the ship had added weights high in the ship, thus raising her centre of gravity." - this is a bit unclear. Splitting it into two sentences might help. 683:
It's interesting that this ship successfully operated in some of the most submarine-infested waters in the Atlantic during 1940 to 1942. Can anything be said about how she escaped without (apparently) being attacked? - was she heavily escorted, or fast, or just lucky?
504:"The same month, the ship was used to evaluate the effects of an island" - this doesn't seem quite right; how about "The same month, the ship was used in trials to evaluate the effects which an island superstructure would have on flying operations" or similar? 177:
was the first aircraft carrier with a full-length flight deck. Too slow to keep up with the fleet and too small to carry many aircraft, she spent much of her career on secondary duties like deck-landing training and as an aircraft ferry.
427:"Existing carriers could launch wheeled aircraft, but had no way to recover them" - can you briefly describe the design of these ships? (I presume that they had a flying off ramp, but nothing which resembled a flight deck) 183: 117: 212:
No source spotcheck on my part but I'm yet to see any serious concerns in that regard in one of Storm's articles so up to other reviewers/delegates to determine if they need to see one. Cheers,
675:"On her return to the United Kingdom she began a lengthy refit." - a refit which lasted no more than two months can't really be called 'lengthy' (a 'lengthy' refit can last for years) 766: 283: 693:"When Eagle flew off seven more Spitfires whilst Argus flew 10 Fulmars and two Sea Hurricanes of 807 Squadron covered the operation from Argus." - this is rather repetitive 209:
Reviewed and copyedited at MilHist A-Class Review earlier in the year and was happy with referencing, structure, prose, coverage and images (though alt text could be added).
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was one of only two out of seven British pre-war carriers to survive World War II, although she was scrapped shortly afterwards. This article had a MilHist
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Not many readers will be aware of the systems of classifications included in the Washington Treaty, so material to clarify this would be helpful to them.
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I'm not sure what you're concerned about here; Beardmore was the builder of the Conte Rosso and physically converted her into an aircraft carrier.
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Consider disambiguating the Brown sources by date rather than first name, as you use a very similar format for multi-author cites
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Sources don't specify, although I suspect that this really only involved radio equipment to guide the drones.
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Read literally, the current wording states that Beardmore did all the physical work on the ship himself.
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You'd have to ask the uploader. The Seafire wasn't deployed until 1942, though. Thanks for the review.--
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I'd suggest using the wording 'a tender for Queen Bee target drones' or similar to clarify this.
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Seems kind of redundant as the reader already knows that she's a ship and an aircraft carrier.
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I see no need to rename the file since I've changed the dates in the template to 1942-1944.--
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It should be noted that the ship was commissioned too late to play any part in World War I
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Still confusing I'm afraid (the ship couldn't make space; this was the role of her crew).
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An indirect reference added after Ark Royal was sunk. Thanks for your thorough review.--
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back in February and shouldn't require much work to bring it up to FA standards.--
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I'm going to have to look at my source again to see if I can clarify this.
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are my edits. (Edits may take days to show up on that page.) - Dank (
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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In the information template (i.e. under "description"). —
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