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No worries! I appreciate people who get to the point. Although I disagree with the complaint of length - other FAs on politicians whose highest office was senator are just as long, if not longer - I can understand your objections about the prose and will withdraw this FAC. Is it okay if I leave this
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You can leave it open for as long as you wish. I have recused from coordinator duties to comment on this. Even if I hadn't I wouldn't be archiving it until and unless it collected some formal opposes. (Or was promoted or timed out of course.) One reason I was blunt was to "break the ice" for others
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I agree it's too long, but not terribly so. Why not reduce the 5-paragraph "Share Our Wealth" to one and transfer the material to the main article? I think the same could be done elsewhere as well (perhaps the "1928 Louisiana gubernatorial election" section?) Anyways, it looks like an interesting
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Too long. Possibly even far too long. Over 11,000 words on a state governor who died at 42! I am minded to oppose on criterion 4 as it could, and IMO certainly should, be written in a more summary style. The prose style is not very crisp, and is discursive to the point that I am unconvinced that
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50 kB May need to be divided". The article is currently 61 kB plus quotes and notes. There are exceptions, but IMO, on a sampling rather than a detailed read, there is a fair bit of scope for a more summary style and places where it does not "stay focused on the main topic without going into
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died at 32 for instance; likewise, there are politicians who lived to 80 and could probably do with an article a quarter of this size. Age is by no means a determining factor in how long an article should be, the content/relevance/importance of their life far outweighs this.
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This is not a full FAC review, but yes, the assassination section looks fine. Good prose, reasonable summarising. I could quibble over minor aspects, but I have certainly seen worse in FAC nominations which have subsequently been promoted.
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Were they replaced or just removed? If removed, was there another source that supported that information or did you also remove the information it was sourcing? If replaced, what were they replaced with?
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I too disagree with the length complaint, and would (either way) urge Gog to point out specific sections that could do with trimming. I also see no relevance in the "died at 42" –
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