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have to say about the points made by those on the other side of this debate? Note that I have no opinion as to the merits of either side's argument, and I trust your editorial judgment when you say that it is an autobiography; however, as a layman on this subject, I was hoping to see some more words devoted to explaining the debate and why it's an autobiography, rather than just giving "it is an autobiography" as fact and leaving it there.
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him as a poet. Elsewhere, this article describes him as an "author" and a "writer". Is it correct to call him a poet, too? Also, Hilton Als is red-linked in the article, which is OK considering he's likely to be notable enough for a future article, but his name is used in the article twice before the red-link. The first usage should be the designated red-link. --
884:(as suggested by what's in the article...maybe I'm reading this wrong), but rather maintaining a personal distance from the Maya character ("Whenever I speak about the books, I always think in terms of the Maya character. When I wrote the teleplay of , I would refer to the Maya character so as not to mean me."). But perhaps I'm wrong.
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I think it's a matter of interpretation. The use of the two voices causes a personal distance, which enables her to write about what's happened. To compromise, I added the phrase, "... in order to distance herself from the story" to the end of the sentence in question. Let me know what you think.
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I hate to say it, but I've been spoiled by those navigation boxes people place at the footer of some articles. Here's why: When I was done reading, I immediately wanted to find a list of her other autobiographies. There is no direct access to that list (that I saw) from this article. I had to click
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Angelou's works. The sources used are excellent. It is truly an example of one of Knowledge (XXG)'s best
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is a difficult text to explain, as it is both autobiography and fiction, but I believe that this article clearly articulates the plot and its meanings to a reader who hasn't read the book (as I have not - gasp!). It is also well-illustrated and all of its images meet the requirements of our image
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I red-linked the first mention of Als, where he's called a "writer". Then I changed all other mentions to him to "Als". The instance you mention was actually the last time he's named in the article, which is now fixed. Thanks for the catch.
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Can't take the credit for this one! The problem is, though, I can't remember who taught it to me. Like Maria, I also have the memory of a goldfish. I want to say, though, that it was someone who's helped edit
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You're welcome, very glad to oblige. The answer to your question is, yes. My long-term WP goal is to not only create articles on all of Dr. Angelou's autobiographies, as I have already done with
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