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693:, I don't believe I removed the other one, if I did I will restore and apologise. I'm sorry, as far as I know the place for article discussion is the talk page, where ongoing participation of all involved editors, ongoing RfC's etc is possible. I have no objection to your specific points, however FaC is being used by Imeldific to 'sneak edit' in order to bypass the talk processes on certain key issues. 863:"Her claimed fortune came from Yamashita's gold, a semi-mythical treasure trove that is widely believed in the Philippines to be part of the Japanese loot in World War II" - what total and utter rubbish. The money is believed to have come from corruption with many reliable sources being available to attest to this (eg, 848:" She purchased property in Manhattan in the 1980s, including the US$ 51 million Crown Building, the Woolworth Building in 40 Wall Street, and the US$ 60 million Herald Centre. She declined to buy the Empire State Building because she felt it was "too ostentatious." - where did the money for this come from? 324:
given in the article ("intended to address hunger by encouraging the people to plant produce in household gardens") is entirely different from the article linked. I'm not sure whether this is because the article is referring to something else also called the Green revolution, or whether the article
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This article fails FA criterion 1b as it is much too short to provide adequate coverage of Marcos' life and 1d as it's non-neutral. It also fails 1c as many of the works in the biography are self-published, and no serious attempt appears to have been made to consult good quality works on Filipino
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There are various references to books without specifying page number/chapter/anything which would help a reader find the claim which is being cited. Currently to (in order of appearance) Garcia (1969), Garcia (2016), Pedrosa (2013), Sagmayoa (1986), Kumar (2004), Pedrosa (2016). Could the pages
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This article is about... Imelda Marcos, the former First Lady of the Philippines and current congresswoman. She is famous for her shoe collection and her marriage to former Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos. During her time as First Lady, she traveled the world met with world leaders and buy
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I'd like to see more detail, especially about Marcos' role as first lady. The article says that she was Minister for Human Settlements, but only gives very brief details about what she did in that role. The comments on her role as ambassador basically just say that she made lots of powerful
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Also in the lead "The Marcos family were forced into exile, and Aquino's widow Corazon was installed as president. After her husband's death, she returned to the Philippines": make it "after her husband's death, Marcos returned", otherwise it appears that the article is referring to Corazon
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friends, which I'm sure is true, but she must have done other things with greater historical significance than go out to dinner with the Nixons! Her involvement in the Libyan peace treaty, for instance, must have more to say about it than simply that it happened.
791:-- I'm going to archive this nom and recommend that all interested parties work on improvements outside the FAC process and try for another peer review before considering a re-nomination. A few pieces of advice in passing, based on a quick scan: 845:"Her role in the presidency was controversial partly because she was involved in altercations with celebrities" - not really. She's controversial for being half of a dictatorial couple and allegedly being involved in very large scale corruption 673:). Thank you for putting one of my two fixes back. That leaves one more to put back. Why are y'all having parallel discussions on the talk page? You need to unify. Bring your constructive comments and constructive criticism over here. Cheers! 860:"The exact number of her shoes varies with estimates of up to 7,500 pairs. However, Time reported that the final tally was only 1,060" - why is the 1986 Time story being privileged over the 2006 CNN story which provides a higher figure? 182:
Firstly, I am pleased to see that many of the problems I had with the article in its previous candidacy (and one that I didn't raise, but noticed) have been fixed. I haven't yet gone through the article properly, but a few comments:
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The citation format for the bibliography is inconsistent. Location, publisher, ISBN, and OCLC number all appear for some but not all of the items. Also, the "Lastname, firstname" order is not always respected (e.g. in Aquino et
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history of the Marcos era. Marcos has been an internationally-known and highly controversial figure for decades, yet the article has only 30 kb of prose text, and quickly passes over major details. For instance:
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Pincrete actually fixed Checkinfax's edit before you left this message. Pincrete could see that this edit was constructive unlike the many that preceded it which were in direct contravention of talk discussion.
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Are we having arguments between nominator and other significant editors? If so, please spare everyone the headache and withdraw nomination now – resolve your probs before coming here. Thanks.
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I am quite happy for feedback from either, however proper place for discussion of content is article talk page, not by Imeldific using FaC to go against views of other article editors.
814:"Her claimed fortune came from Yamashita's gold" -- perhaps you mean "it is claimed that her fortune came from Yamashita's gold", but it's hard to tell the way it's expressed. 851:"While her husband began to suffer from lupus erythematosus, she effectively ruled in his place" - from what dates, and what did she do as the (effectively) acting president? 857:"Ferdinand created the Agrava Commission, a fact-finding committee, to investigate her, ultimately finding her not guilty." - did this commission have any legitimacy? 40: 884:
It's dubious to present Marcos' various legal victories without context - even a quick review of the literature indicates many were dubious at best.
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In the lead: "Imelda Marcos was born in Manila but later moved to Tacloban prior to World War II after the death of her mother during her childhood."
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What is her legacy outside of music? Did any of her actions as first lady have lasting effects on Filipino politics, for instance?
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The gBooks link to Pedrosa (2016) is broken for me. It returns "Your search - isbn:6214100834 - did not match any book results."
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Procedural: There's no need to transclude the FAC to the article talk page, there's already a link at the top of the talk page (
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eBookIt.com isn't listed in that list, but appears from its website to be a self-publishing company. Again, the same question.
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N.B. I commented on the previous nomination of this article, and have made some comments on the recent RFC on the talkpage.
811:"she forced a plane to do a U-turn mid-air just because she forgot to buy cheese in Rome" -- the "just" is unnecessary. 401:
appears to be just a list of trivia in prose form. Has there been any discussion of her legacy in reliable sources?
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as self-publishing companies. Why should we consider the books cited as published by these companies reliable?
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is misunderstanding what the Green revolution was; in the first case it needs unlinking, in the second, fixing.
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Go down into the Bibliography, find the two Pedrosa sources, and click their links. Go ahead. I dare you.
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said. Ping me back when the FA review process has moved further along and I will be happy to comment or
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In "Power struggle": "The location where her shoes and jewelry were destroyed and the contents stolen."
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Quotes such as "the other half of the conjugal dictatorship" should be attributed inline, as in
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File:Imelda-alone.jpg: source link is dead. Same with File:Marcos_Clark_Air_Base_cropped.jpg.
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For Serin et al., the date is given as "179". Is this meant to be "1979" or something else?
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has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see
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Why are foreign honours she was awarded as first lady in the section on her legacy?
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according to so-and-so, she became "the other half of the conjugal dictatorship"
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artwork. She still serves the Philippines through her work in Congress.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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Similarly, CreateSpace, iUniverse, and AuthorHouse are all
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On reflection, some more comments (for clarity, made after
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942:The above discussion is preserved as an archive. 733:Need feedback from Caeciliusinhorto and Lingzhi. 598:. You are welcome. Now, take each line item from 331:Why is her religion in the section on early life? 439:. I made several deep polishing passes starting 43:. No further edits should be made to this page. 948:No further edits should be made to this page. 921:template in place on the talk page until the 606:as you move down their laundry list. Cheers! 125:Can you explain how the flags in Legacy meet 29:The following is an archived discussion of a 8: 206:(though NB there may still be broken links). 878:Why is her 1993 conviction for corruption 41:Knowledge talk:Featured article candidates 763:This discussion is now in the talk page. 631:just undid your edits so this is still 468:I suggest adding 2 more varied images. 192:, which is important for accessibility. 707:Sorry book error was my fault, fixed. 18:Knowledge:Featured article candidates 7: 188:The images don't appear to have any 328:How did Imelda and Ferdinand meet? 24: 312:'s endorsements of my comments). 221:Done, except for the oclc part. 875:) yet this is barely mentioned. 1: 251:There are also prose issues: 175:Comments by caeciliusinhorto 916:featured article candidates 31:featured article nomination 965: 443:. 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Knowledge:Featured article candidates
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Ian Rose
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Imelda Marcos
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11:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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11:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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22:32, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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09:37, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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Checkingfax
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01:45, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Caeciliusinhorto
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09:35, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

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