791:"In contrast to some earlier Japanese carriers, which were conversions of battlecruiser and battleship hulls (Akagi and Kaga, respectively), Sōryū was designed from the keel up as an aircraft carrier and incorporated lessons learned from the light carrier Ryūjō." - I'd have gone for "In contrast to some earlier Japanese carriers, such as Akagi and Kaga, which were conversions of battlecruiser and battleship hulls respectively, Sōryū was designed from the keel up as an aircraft carrier and incorporated lessons learned from the light carrier Ryūjō." - it would dodge the brackets and make the flow a little easier.
823:"They sank the oil tanker British Sergeant and the Norwegian cargo ship Norviken before they were attacked by 8 Fulmars of 803 and 806 Naval Air Squadrons...." Worth checking that the article is keeping to the MOS on numbers as text/digits here, as I think this should be "eight Fulmars" etc. (NB: have just seen the debate above. I personally think the spirit of the MOS would still have this as text; the "1 Zero" does read oddly to me, for example)
164:
the
Pacific War. During that conflict she participated in the attack on Pearl Harbor and the attack on Wake Island before she headed to Southeast Asia to support Japanese operations there. Her aircraft helped to sink numerous British ships during the Indian Ocean raid in April 1942 before she returned to Japan to prepare for the attack on Midway Atoll. The article just passed a
540:
10+) all the numbers will need to be expressed in words, as long as they can be written in no more than two words. From what I can see of
Parshall & Tully they take the same approach, with the acceptable exceptions of percentages and gun calibre. I'd be happy to the do edits if you like. Or feel free to explain where the ambiguity is in MOS.
669:
B5Ns and 6 A6M Zeros the following day. They were intercepted by the 2 surviving
Grumman F4F Wildcat fighters of Marine Fighter Squadron VMF-211. The Wildcats shot down two B5Ns before they were shot down themselves by the Zeros. The garrison surrendered the next day after Japanese troops were landed.'
668:
Could you have a look at this passage too, as there seem to be some number/figure inconsistencies: 'The two carriers reached the vicinity of the island on 21 December and launched 29 D3As and 2 B2Ns, escorted by 18 Zeros, to attack ground targets. They encountered no aerial opposition and launched 35
163:
Soryu was the first purpose-designed large carrier built by the
Imperial Japanese Navy and had a very active career before being sunk in the Battle of Midway in June 1942. She, and her aircraft, participated in the Second Sino-Japanese War and the invasion of French Indochina before the beginning of
539:
There is no ambiguity in MOS on this topic. Numbers from 1 to 9 are spelt out (with exceptions noted in MOS). Higher numbers can be figures or words as long as there is consistency in the article. Comparable values means that when there are both kinds of numbers involved (i.e. those from 1–9, and
744:
Parshall & Tully (p. 90) explain: twelve of the intended garrison support fighters were on Junyo with the Second
Carrier Striking Force; the remainder were assigned to Nagumo's carriers: Akagi had six; Kagu had nine; Hiryu and Soryu three apience: total intended garrison = 33. Perhaps a note
637:
Comparable quantities doesn't take precedence over expressing numbers from one to nine, in words. The numbers in the paragraph between one and nine should be expressed in words. Comparable quantities then requires the start of the paragraph to read, 'Shortly afterwards, fourteen
Devastators...'
580:'The three airborne CAP Zeros were landing aboard at 09:30 when the Americans unsuccessfully attempted a torpedo attack on Soryū, but three of the morning's escort fighters were still airborne and joined the 18 CAP fighters in destroying Waldron's planes.' Why are the 3's spelt out?
165:
107:
368:, I understood that numbers from 1 to 9 are expressed in words rather than numbers. Thus, for example, rather than, 'A Wildcat escorting VT-3 shot down 1 of her Zeros.' I believe this should say, 'A Wildcat escorting VT-3 shot down one of her Zeros.'
845:
You're correct in that the MOS requires specific language, but I think that this is still OK, regardless. It doesn't weasel, but emphasizes that sources will often give contradictory info on what that squadron flew during the battle. Thanks for
729:
There were a few others scattered aboard the other carriers, IIRC, but a garrison doesn't have a specified size. I think that you understand it just fine, but don't believe that that's what the
Japanese intended with such a small
327:-- I copyedited and supported on prose, level of detail, referencing, structure and supporting materials at the article's MilHist A-Class Review and, having checked changes made since then, I'm satisfied it's FA-worthy. Cheers,
524:
I don't see it that way. Seems to me that the editor can decide which way to go. Doesn't make sense to me that one use of a number below ten outweighs 15 usages of numbers above. Either way the MOS is ambiguous on this
168:
and I believe that it's ready for FAC. I look forward to working with reviewers that identify any weaknesses and hope to get some non-ship specialist reviewers to ensure that general concepts and jargon are properly
608:
Cheers. Don't forget my original "don't get it" response. Where are the comparable quantities in 'A Wildcat escorting VT-3 shot down 1 of her Zeros'? that warrant '1' being shown as a figure rather than a word?
288:
Very little more is known to me in
English. I added a bit about the air group's movements and primary role during the campaign as well as the commitment of a Soviet expeditionary air group there. See how it
714:
I don't understand this sentence: 'Also aboard were 3 A6Ms of the 6th
Kokutai intended as the aerial garrison for Midway.' How could a puny 3 A6Ms possibly act as an aerial garrison for Midway?
90:
86:
799:"The ship's power and slim, cruiser-type hull with a length-to-beam ratio of 10:1 gave her a speed of 34.5 knots (63.9 km/h; 39.7 mph)" - I'd have gone for commas after hull and 10:1.
78:
425:'Their maximum rate of fire was 14 rounds a minute, but their sustained rate of fire was around eight rounds per minute.' Why is eight spelled out? Should it not be a figure?
807:"The boiler uptakes were trunked to the ship's starboard side amidships" - I'm not 100% sure I know what a boiler uptake is, or what it means for them to be trunked.
123:
898:
855:
840:
772:
758:
739:
723:
692:
678:
661:
647:
632:
618:
603:
589:
563:
549:
534:
519:
502:
485:
462:
437:
399:
377:
336:
317:
298:
283:
262:
248:
228:
214:
178:
155:
56:
40:
554:
They're equal bullets so have equal weight. If this exercises you so much then feel free to switch them to match your interpretation, but I won't bother.--
82:
490:
I believe this one should read, 'The carrier also contributed three Zeros to the total of eleven assigned to the initial CAP over the four carriers.'
868:
30:
17:
128:
274:
Is nothing more known about the
Yangtze River operations? It's a tantalisingly incomplete nugget in an otherwise stunningly good article. --
73:
66:
879:
244:
against other, more-armored Japanese aircraft carriers? Just so readers unfamiliar with naval ships get an idea of what decent armor is.
219:
Source link worked just fine for me. Not knowledgeable enough about the template to fix whatever it is that's generating the message.--
473:'The carrier also contributed 3 Zeros to the total of 11 assigned to the initial CAP over the four carriers.' Why is 11 a number?
197:
File:Jap_planes_preparing-Pearl_Harbor.jpg: how could this possibly have been taken by Navy personnel? That doesn't make sense
390:: Comparable quantities should be all spelled out or all figures: five cats and thirty-two dogs, not five cats and 32 dogs.--
205:
File:Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Soryu_02_cropped.jpg: source is tagged as lacking author info and has an error message.
831:" To this day there is much confusion about VMSB-241 at Midway. " - I think the MOS discourages "To this day..."
510:
says figures from one to nine are spelled out. Comparable quantities then requires the eleven to be spelled out.
350:
Could the first sentence of the last paragraph be reworded? It mentions 'Japan' three times and 'defeat' twice.
851:
768:
735:
688:
657:
628:
599:
559:
530:
498:
481:
458:
433:
395:
294:
258:
224:
174:
151:
815:" "Blue (or Green) Dragon" - I wasn't sure what this meant (is the Japanese for Blue and Green the same?)
894:
210:
387:
872:
847:
836:
764:
731:
684:
653:
624:
595:
555:
526:
494:
477:
454:
453:
Join the club. They're very easy to miss, hence you finding several despite multiple reviewers.--
429:
391:
332:
290:
254:
220:
170:
147:
493:
Why? As I see things it could go either way, depending on what else in used in the paragraph.--
200:
There's no tag for war booty; photos that were seized by the American military after surrender.
408:
Don't get it. Where are the comparable quantities? A few more examples which I find confusing:
754:
719:
674:
643:
614:
585:
545:
515:
373:
507:
365:
890:
623:
Look elsewhere in the paragraph, I standardized comparable quantities across paragraphs.--
206:
53:
871:
has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see
313:
279:
444:'Sōryū contributed eighteen B3Ns and nine Zeros to the force.' Why is 18 spelled out?
832:
745:
could be added to the sentence to clarify this or adjust the expression 'intended as
328:
245:
189:
File:Japanese_aircraft_carrier_Soryu_1938.jpg: when/where was this first published?
253:
Not a bad idea; added comparable figures for Hiryu. Thanks for looking this over.--
886:
750:
715:
670:
639:
610:
581:
541:
511:
369:
309:
275:
240:, great article. Might it be worthwhile to compare the "minimally armored"
192:
No evidence that it has been published since it's in the museum archives.
108:
Featured article candidates/Japanese aircraft carrier Sōryū/archive1
39:
Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
308:. Well-written, well-sourced, looks complete to me. Nice work. --
826:
I flipped everything over to spelling them out in this para.
450:
Aiee! The number/figure guidelines are driving me spare.
133:
98:
94:
59:
638:
rather than 'Shortly afterwards, 14 Devastators...'.
818:
See the link in the lede. Short answer, not so much.
447:
Because they're comparable quantities of airplanes.
428:That's a fair cop, guv. I'll fix it momentarily.--
906:The above discussion is preserved as an archive.
41:Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured article candidates
43:. No further edits should be made to this page.
912:No further edits should be made to this page.
885:template in place on the talk page until the
29:The following is an archived discussion of a
8:
476:Again, comparable quantities of airplanes.--
18:Knowledge (XXG):Featured article candidates
112:
115:
105:
7:
24:
74:Japanese aircraft carrier Sōryū
67:Japanese aircraft carrier Sōryū
1:
899:01:58, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
856:02:06, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
841:21:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
773:10:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
759:10:44, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
749:aerial garrison for Midway.'
740:13:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
724:11:19, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
693:10:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
679:10:44, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
662:10:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
648:10:44, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
633:13:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
619:10:12, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
604:11:40, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
590:11:25, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
564:04:05, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
550:02:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
535:10:56, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
520:10:44, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
503:13:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
486:11:40, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
463:13:58, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
438:11:40, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
400:13:45, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
378:12:11, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
337:10:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
318:07:09, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
299:00:30, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
284:22:04, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
57:10:01, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
263:21:16, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
249:03:15, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
229:20:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
215:19:44, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
179:22:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
156:22:23, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
880:featured article candidates
652:I don't agree, see above.--
31:featured article nomination
929:
909:Please do not modify it.
36:Please do not modify it.
166:MilHist A-class review
594:Another fair cop.--
159:
141:
140:
920:
911:
884:
878:
875:, and leave the
144:
113:
103:
102:
48:The article was
38:
928:
927:
923:
922:
921:
919:
918:
917:
916:
907:
882:
876:
76:
72:
70:
34:
22:
21:
20:
12:
11:
5:
926:
924:
915:
914:
902:
901:
889:goes through.
861:
860:
859:
858:
829:
828:
827:
821:
820:
819:
813:
812:
811:
805:
804:
803:
797:
796:
795:
780:
779:
778:
777:
776:
775:
712:
711:
710:
709:
708:
707:
706:
705:
704:
703:
702:
701:
700:
699:
698:
697:
696:
695:
666:
665:
664:
578:
577:
576:
575:
574:
573:
572:
571:
570:
569:
568:
567:
566:
552:
471:
470:
469:
468:
467:
466:
465:
442:
441:
440:
416:
415:
414:
413:
412:
411:
410:
409:
403:
402:
381:
380:
361:
360:
359:
358:
352:
351:
340:
339:
321:
320:
303:
302:
301:
268:
267:
266:
265:
234:
233:
232:
231:
203:
202:
201:
195:
194:
193:
161:
160:
146:Nominator(s):
139:
138:
137:
136:
134:External links
131:
126:
118:
117:
111:
110:
69:
64:
63:
46:
45:
25:
23:
15:
14:
13:
10:
9:
6:
4:
3:
2:
925:
913:
910:
904:
903:
900:
896:
892:
888:
881:
874:
870:
866:
863:
862:
857:
853:
849:
848:Sturmvogel 66
844:
843:
842:
838:
834:
830:
825:
824:
822:
817:
816:
814:
809:
808:
806:
801:
800:
798:
793:
792:
790:
789:
788:
787:
785:
774:
770:
766:
765:Sturmvogel 66
762:
761:
760:
756:
752:
748:
743:
742:
741:
737:
733:
732:Sturmvogel 66
728:
727:
726:
725:
721:
717:
694:
690:
686:
685:Sturmvogel 66
683:Good catch.--
682:
681:
680:
676:
672:
667:
663:
659:
655:
654:Sturmvogel 66
651:
650:
649:
645:
641:
636:
635:
634:
630:
626:
625:Sturmvogel 66
622:
621:
620:
616:
612:
607:
606:
605:
601:
597:
596:Sturmvogel 66
593:
592:
591:
587:
583:
579:
565:
561:
557:
556:Sturmvogel 66
553:
551:
547:
543:
538:
537:
536:
532:
528:
527:Sturmvogel 66
523:
522:
521:
517:
513:
509:
506:
505:
504:
500:
496:
495:Sturmvogel 66
492:
491:
489:
488:
487:
483:
479:
478:Sturmvogel 66
475:
474:
472:
464:
460:
456:
455:Sturmvogel 66
452:
451:
449:
448:
446:
445:
443:
439:
435:
431:
430:Sturmvogel 66
427:
426:
424:
423:
422:
421:
420:
419:
418:
417:
407:
406:
405:
404:
401:
397:
393:
392:Sturmvogel 66
389:
385:
384:
383:
382:
379:
375:
371:
367:
363:
362:
356:
355:
354:
353:
349:
348:
347:
346:
345:
344:
338:
334:
330:
326:
323:
322:
319:
315:
311:
307:
304:
300:
296:
292:
291:Sturmvogel 66
287:
286:
285:
281:
277:
273:
270:
269:
264:
260:
256:
255:Sturmvogel 66
252:
251:
250:
247:
243:
239:
236:
235:
230:
226:
222:
221:Sturmvogel 66
218:
217:
216:
212:
208:
204:
199:
198:
196:
191:
190:
188:
187:
186:
185:
181:
180:
176:
172:
171:Sturmvogel 66
167:
158:
157:
153:
149:
148:Sturmvogel 66
143:
142:
135:
132:
130:
127:
125:
122:
121:
120:
119:
114:
109:
106:
104:
100:
96:
92:
88:
84:
80:
75:
68:
65:
62:
60:
58:
55:
51:
44:
42:
37:
32:
27:
26:
19:
908:
905:
865:Closing note
864:
846:reviewing.--
783:
782:
781:
763:Clarified.--
746:
713:
342:
341:
324:
305:
271:
241:
237:
184:Image review
183:
182:
169:explained.--
162:
145:
129:Citation bot
71:
49:
47:
35:
28:
891:Graham Colm
802:Fine by me.
794:Good idea.
388:WP:Numeral
207:Nikkimaria
54:GrahamColm
873:WP:FAC/ar
869:candidate
730:number.--
867:: This
833:Hchc2009
784:Comments
525:issue.--
386:No, see
343:Comments
329:Ian Rose
289:reads.--
272:Question
124:Analysis
50:promoted
810:Linked.
786:Support
364:As per
325:Support
306:Support
238:Support
116:Toolbox
87:history
751:Sandbh
716:Sandbh
671:Sandbh
640:Sandbh
611:Sandbh
582:Sandbh
542:Sandbh
512:Sandbh
508:WP:MOS
370:Sandbh
366:WP:MOS
357:Done.
242:Soryu
95:watch
91:links
16:<
895:talk
852:talk
837:talk
769:talk
755:talk
736:talk
720:talk
689:talk
675:talk
658:talk
644:talk
629:talk
615:talk
600:talk
586:talk
560:talk
546:talk
531:talk
516:talk
499:talk
482:talk
459:talk
434:talk
396:talk
374:talk
333:talk
314:talk
310:John
295:talk
280:talk
276:John
259:talk
225:talk
211:talk
175:talk
152:talk
99:logs
83:talk
79:edit
887:bot
747:the
52:by
897:)
883:}}
877:{{
854:)
839:)
771:)
757:)
738:)
722:)
691:)
677:)
660:)
646:)
631:)
617:)
602:)
588:)
562:)
548:)
533:)
518:)
501:)
484:)
461:)
436:)
398:)
376:)
335:)
316:)
297:)
282:)
261:)
246:Ed
227:)
213:)
177:)
154:)
97:|
93:|
89:|
85:|
81:|
61:.
33:.
893:(
850:(
835:(
767:(
753:(
734:(
718:(
687:(
673:(
656:(
642:(
627:(
613:(
598:(
584:(
558:(
544:(
529:(
514:(
497:(
480:(
457:(
432:(
394:(
372:(
331:(
312:(
293:(
278:(
257:(
223:(
209:(
173:(
150:(
101:)
77:(
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Additional terms may apply.