3315:"s. Personally, it has been overdone to resolve his concern (Giants2008's and Henry8787's copyedits have removed much of the excessive pronouns; in my opinion, only a few more needed to be tweaked after their work). I think a good approximate guide for when to remind the reader of the subject is about every third mention of the subject, or when it is possible to mix up who the pronoun is referring to (such as cases when another man is mentioned just after Grove) on reading the sentence.
2725:: An interesting, well-researched and mostly well-written article. In addition to Tony's comments could you check all the occurrences of "also", especially the very tired "not only...but also" construct. Often "also" is redundant and worse, for me at least, slows down the reading because it refers back to previous lines. Also, "nixed" is not in my Oxford English Dictionary—the nearest are "nix" and "nixie", male and female water elves :-)
2208:"Grove lost only two games, pitched a no-hitter, and pitched a couple of one-hitters." You couldn't make it: "Grove lost only two games, and pitched a no-hitter and a couple of one-hitters."? But it's still a little stumpy—the "lost only two games" is more comfortably embedded in the longer period, but the pitching references look like single incidents within games. Perhaps I'm too much the non-expert here.
2270:"in order to"—spot the two redundant words. But there's another problem: four "to"s. And the last phrase is unnecessary: "As his first minor league season drew to a close, Grove planned to return to Proviso High School to complete his education when the season ended." Try: "As his first minor league season drew to a close, Grove planned his return to Proviso High School to complete his education."
922:"The 1948 Chicago White Sox season saw a difficult decision for the Sox in who their pitchers would be, as well as who would be in the starting rotation." is ungrammatical and garbled. Try "The 1948 Chicago White Sox faced difficult decisions regarding determining their pitching staff and starting rotation."
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Do you meant that Wayne did not get a no-hitter? That is, he was pitching what would have been a no-hitter until the last batsman hit (like what happened in Grove-Jordan)? The current sentence reads to me as if no one hit Wayne's pitches, and a runner (due to foul balls) stole the base during Wayne's
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I did something altogether different: "Grove had a career year in 1943, finishing the season with career bests in ERA, wins, and complete games; in 1944, he made his only All-Star appearance." The proposed fix didn't do anything to combat the "he" overload, and the two seasons felt forced together. I
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I'm not sure, actually. 3A means "Whose deferment is advisable because his child(ren), parent(s), grandparent(s), brother(s), or sister(s) is dependent upon him for support." (he was not married yet). This implies that he was taking care of his parents and/or grandparents with the money he made as a
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Would that have been the first time a Major League no-hitter was achievied if Jordan did not hit the ball? If so, that should be noted. Otherwise, I do not see how that was baseball history unless it was the first White Sox no-hitter or a no-hitter was so rare no one did it until many years later.
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Did "Grove planned on returning to
Proviso High School to complete his education." Didn't like the double "his" in the proposed fix, especially considering the large number of "he"s scattered throughout. Didn't find the "in order to", but I'll get it later during my full run-through, assuming that
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Done with the exception of the 19 starts in 1947. I cannot seem to find anything sourced about it. No mention of an injury or minor league stint, so my guess is he simply didn't start every game and became a spot starter (the Sox used 11 starting pitchers in 1947 four or more times, so it could've
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I don't really care either way, though I personally prefer the MLB links. Year in baseball links would be fine as well. While I'm here, I left an inline message regarding the "it was discovered" that he had an injury. If this can't be found due to your computer, don't worry about it too much. I'm
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Will do. Sorry if I seem like I'm rushing, just trying to get done what I can before the first, since arbcom will then take up all my time. The Tripod thing's troubling me since I'm struggling to find a source for that info but can't really remove it since it a nice detailed chunk of minor league
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I got rid of the infobox links and will look for a spot to park a year-in-baseball link in the body. A full cleanup job is coming from me later. I did review this earlier, but I saw some good copy-editing opportunities while searching for these fixes. For now, I have a bunch of reviews to do and
1213:"After retirement, he worked with his uncle in a trucking business in Chicago while continuing to pitch baseball at the semi-pro level." I think the word baseball can be removed, or it can be changed to "play baseball". Either of those would be a slight improvement on the current wording.
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Reviewers are suppose to strike their own comments, unless maybe Sandy strikes stuff. I will check back in a few hours to do my own striking. If you want to show you have responded to a comment, add a line below it saying what you have done. See my Four
Freedoms candidate below as an
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I think you should mention the number of appearances for seaons in the late career section. He was not exclusively a starter and in order to give a complete biographical description of this part of his career just talaking about games started is leaving a lot of information
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One thing that's bothering me as I read this is the unpiped links to xxxx
Chicago White Sox season throughout. I can see having one link like that to avoid confusion, but most of them can just be xxxx season without losing anything. That would make it a little smoother for
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I have withdrawn my tentative oppose above, but reluctantly. This nomination was way premature, and the FAC page far too long. Please do not submit another nomination in such a bad state. Why do I still see things like "Additionally,"? Just remove it. It's OK overall.
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At the time, Orval Grove became the second member of the White Sox to win nine consecutive decisions to start the season and the third in White Sox history, the first being Lefty
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Well, I did some sleuthing, and according to my findings, the photograph is actually PD. Ergo, I'll crop it shortly. To answer your question, I assumed it was a derivative work. I'm sure I could ask 10 fair use people and they'd be split on the matter.
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Even if a work was published in the U.S. between 1923 and 1977 without a copyright notice, there would need to be proof to that effect. The proof must contain a valid resource justifying the claim in order for the U.S. copyright office to accept
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happens when a pitcher doesn't allow a hit during a game; it's a rare feat. The one thing I would change is to say how many one-hitters he had; I'd guess two, but can't do anything without having access to the source. Fixed it as suggested
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Yours are good; I dealt with the concerns and knocked out a couple other "as a result"s (there are now only two in the article). I have no idea if Tony's coming back to look at this or not yet; I pinged him but nothing came of it yet.
2421:" Where is the proof that this picture was published? Note that George Burke takes pictures of baseball players, but supposedly never sold them to the public. He kept them in his collection, selling copies to the players themselves;
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Now it sounds redundant the way you mention it in the second part. It wasn't an accident it was the accident. You should have mentioned the deferral in 1941. The reader already knows so don't repeat that "His knee was injured in the
2191:"He had a career year in 1943, finishing the season with career bests in ERA, wins, and complete games, and in 1944 he made his only All-Star appearance." Last "he" could be removed (ellipsis); there's lots of "he" in the vicinity.
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Not being a fan of baseball, but having an crude understanding of the basics of the game, I am puzzled by this sentence. Basically Grove foul-balled 12 times to let 3 men onto the bases, thus earning the Oilers one run, but why
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For someone with my review backlog, ASAP means about six days. :-) Anyway, I'm back to finish my review. There's quite a bit left to do, but I want to get it all out there at once due to the amount of active reviews I have.
244:"The Sox did plan to use three rookie pitchers during the final week of May, including Grove, as the result of having three doubleheaders that week." - The Sox did plan to use three rookie pitchers, including Grove, during
1274:"Grove also managed to shut out the Yankees on May 18, the first time the Yankees had done so in 1944." I'm not sure that the flow is as good as can be. A small adjustment to the end will probably be good enough to work.
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I'll look deeper. There's just a lot of sources on his judiciary career that I need to wade through to get to anything, most likely. (He's probably worthy of an article on here, but that's a different point altogether)
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PS Your hope that a reader might realise that the blue "1940" and "1949" are in fact links to years in baseball is a long-shot; they look like those silly solitary year links that go nowhere relevant. Why not arrange
1358:"the White Sox beat the Chicago Cubs 1–0, giving Grove a complete game shutout." The second clause doesn't come as a result of the first; just because the Sox won in a shutout doesn't mean that it was a complete game.
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Looks good, article reads a lot better now. I'll go through tonight and hopefully satisfy the two tony's final issues. (except for the discovery issue, which will have to wait until I can access pdf files again.)
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Comment to TonyTheTiger and Giants: You both appear to disagree with each other on the linking issue regarding x in baseball and the like. Can't really compromise on this one, seeing as either it is or isn't in.
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I would suggest that the image be reverted back for "Fair use" at this moment, and only declared as PD when proof is found. For fair use, the single image has a case for identification of a deceased person.
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The latter. The O. Grove-Gordon situation mirrored the W. Grove situation. Only difference was it was a perfect game for Wayne. I'll take it out though since coincidence is probably a judgment call for the
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Per the note above, I can't access the
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Unfortunately, I cannot, as it is an unfree image, and as such I cannot mess with it since I'm not the copyright holder. If it was free I would gladly do it. I'll handle the other two issues shortly.
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Check out the other baseball FAs. I think you will find more extensive year linkages to Year in baseball, Major League baseball season articles. Follow the convention. Especially in the infobox.--
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First three are done. For the fourth, I mention in the article that he went for three years, then later came back and finished his senior year of high school. I'll make it more clear in the article.
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After establishing the team name, I think convention is to refer to teams by nickname and not city. Thus, later when you say Tulsa, you should say Oilers. Feel free to convince me otherwise.--
1206:, but I'm in a good mood because of the holidays, so I'll spare you. :-) Seriously, it is a good article. I saw a few things that need tweaking as I read it, but overall I'm quite impressed.
3454:- A lot of work was needed here, but the article has risen to FA standards as a result of that work. Well-researched and well-written. Disclaimer: I copy-edited this, as I stated above.
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pitches. That does not seem to mirror Grove-Jordan, or is the coincidence supposed to be Wayne's missing a perfect game at the same instance in the match as Grove's miss of a no-hitter?
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However, the key here is to prove that the photo of Orval Grove was published in the media or sold as baseball cards to the public, and that no copyright was registered for that photo.
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being in the PD is to actually go to the George Burke
Archives (wherever those might be)? :) Is there any citation we could provide readers for any of this information? Pretty please?
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No-hitters are rare, and it does give a baseball pitcher a certain kind of greatness if they are able to throw one. "History" is probably too strong of a word, I'll try and reword it.
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The periodical names (The
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232:"As a freshman, he was a member of the varsity team, the first freshman in school history to do so." - He became the first freshman member of the varsity team in school history.
1537:"He played with the Steers until management began to replace youths with veterans due to their struggles". Is their referring to youths, veterans, management or the Steers?--
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about it, which was confirmed by another user whose name escapes me. If it's determined to actually not be PD, i'll just rv and put the fair use tag and rationale back in.
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The auto accident referred to in 1945 was already mentioned in 1941. I think a change from "an auto accident" to "the auto accident" would help tie those sections together.
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Grove walked three men in a row—which allowed a run to score—and received credit for the loss, despite that fact that he did not allow a hit during his time on the mound.
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Done with the exception of the tripod source issue. I will definitely work my ass off on this particular one tomorrow, I think it's bugging me more than the reviewers :)
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That would be a good idea should I want to re-add in some more info. closest library that has it is the one in
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I've been working on the FUR: A couple of things: 1) We need more information on the source, that would allow readers to track down the image, if they so desired. 2)
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ballplayer, which would be my best guess. I don't have a source to prove that though. He had at least one brother (per having a nephew), so he's not an only child.
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reference to Years-in-baseball in the main text instead, where it's a proper service to readers, not a guessing game (see MOSLINK). Please see my comments below in
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Can you check for "he" throughout? "He played with the Steers until management began to replace youths with veterans due to the team's struggles, and as a result
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Transition to the majors: "he pitched a complete game that lasted twelve innings, winning the game 1–0 against hall of famer Dizzy Dean." Capitalize Hall of Fame?
250:"He finished the season at Oklahoma City with 17 wins and seven losses" - here we break the <10 rule for consistency within the sentence: 17 wins and 7 losses
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The given publishers for notes 11 and 14 are
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I believe the semi colon should be conjoining independent phrases, but "he did not think much of at the time" seems to need an object. Maybe add it after of.--
3046:", and should he not be blamed if he foul-balled that many times (despite that no opponent had hit any of his pitches)? Or is my interpretation totally wrong?
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Another issue came up for Grove in 1943, the issue being World War II. Say something like In 1943, Grove also had to deal with issues related to World War II.
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I've never heard that we can't crop a nonfree image. Seems nonsensical; aren't we in fact encouraged to use the smallest portion of a nonfree image necessary?
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The last sentence in Later career, on the end of his career, feels like a run-on. Perhaps breaking it up before "as he said" would solve the problem.
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I found plenty of minor glitches at the opening. It needs someone new to it to run through the prose carefully. These are random examples only:
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I'll look for it later, but this sounds like it will be hard to find. Wizardman would probably have better luck finding 1937 salaries than me.
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also leaving responses above to the other Tony. Have to cut a new ArbCom member with a busted computer a break once in a while, right? :-)
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Pity there's no sense of the magnitude of a $ 2,500 contract in 1937. Sounds like the cost of one electronics item for the sitting room.
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Fixed the "not only...but" sentence. While I was copy-editing this, I found a few more things, which I want to bring to your attention.
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1253:"In October, Grove was hurt in an auto accident in Missouri, and injured his other knee as a result.." Double periods.
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Again, as one not in full tune with baseball, why is this "coincidentally"?
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following my own copyedit and the resolution of comments by other editors. –
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Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool.
229:"He had a career year in 1943" - 'career year' probably warrants explanation
2412:
I am uncertain that the license for this picture is correct. According to
881:
Why only 19 starts in 1947. Was he injured, benched, sent to the minors?
111:- Somewhat short, and straight to the point. We need more FAs like this. —
1341:
744:
an interesting honor s/b Grove started the 1944 Chicago White Sox season
383:
by John E. Spalding, which is the book this site gets its rosters from ("
1335:"after becoming the only player who remained holding out." Needs fixing.
1259:
says, but is it supposed to be "and one of three in White Sox history."?
238:"At the 1940 Chicago White Sox season began, Grove became" - As the 1940
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and refused to report, choosing instead to pitch at the semi-pro level.
505:
official part of the team? Do you mean 25-man roster or 40 man roster?
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Chose the latter option. And yes, I will be searching for "he" later.
3311:"s, but I believe he was not asking all of them to be converted to "
3070:
Okay, not an actionable issue—nicely fulfilled my curiosity though.
39:
Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
1443:; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox.
1202:- I should oppose on principle for writing a quality article about
2059:
After several rounds of comments, my concerns are now satisfied.--
1228:
links to the modern-day team, not whatever club existed back then.
247:"he spent most of the nest season in Oklahoma City." - next season
1248:
Texas League link is repeating one from the minor league section.
3397:
SOURCE HAS BEEN REPLACED (yes, :) I think it deserves all caps)
3351:
Finished your concerns, except for those where I left comments.
2575:
Wow, I cannot believe I missed that clause in NFC... Anyway, if
789:
Mention the accident and its remifications in the 1941 section
293:
Can we get the newspaper/journal/magazine titles into italics?
3271:
Why are all (or most of) the pronouns currently converted to "
3179:
and refused to report, instead pitching at the semi-pro level.
2453:
Tricky. I have asked a Commons admin for advice on this one.
1969:
go the distance is slang that will be lost on many readers.--
1353:
Later career: "The 1948 season faced difficult decisions..."
1348:"and as a result the coaching planned..." Also needs fixing.
456:
Upon signing with the team should be followed by the year.
2234:
so 2500's nice, but maybe it's not as huge as I thought.
3275:"? The mentions of his name constantly seems repetitive.
3061:
Would classification as 3A mean that he was an only son?
2171:—Reluctant withdrawal of oppose. See my comments below.
844:
That is all for now. I will finish the article later.--
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Knowledge:Featured_article_candidates#Sunderland_A.F.C.
57:
3151:", right? Perhaps, someone else can weigh in on this?
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225:
Comments through 'Transition to the majors' section:
3365:, once the sourcing for Sacremento Salons is settled
3091:
On July 8, 1943, Grove almost made baseball history.
2601:
Belay that suggestion. Check out p. 84 of Nov 1973
1816:
change it was discovered from passive to active.--
1402:info. The rest I will handle within a couple days.
661:third in White Sox history still makes no sense.--
377:How about looking in the libraries for this book,
3536:The above discussion is preserved as an archive.
1264:Remove comma after 1944 Chicago White Sox season?
304:http://oaklandoaks.tripod.com/solons/rosters.html
2424:hence, his photos were accorded as collectibles.
1373:"en route to a 17 win, 20 loss season." Hyphens?
1147:Done with the new fixes, still nothing on 1947.
740:Grove started the 1944 Chicago White Sox season
3248:receiving five votes ... and seven votes in ...
43:. No further edits should be made to this page.
2003:link first instance of opposing teams such as
972:Do you have a citation for the final sentence.
3542:No further edits should be made to this page.
2630:I would think so. Write it up and let's see.
2265:Actually, baseball teams do. This is correct.
1609:What is the full Tulsa team name (link it).--
29:The following is an archived discussion of a
8:
2471:I was asserted the image was PD upon asking
2231:had the highest salary in 1937, at $ 36,000.
1462:Done. That Will Farrell messing me up... :P
500:great deal of possibility s/b much potential
2612:can qualify as a fair-use image, agreed?
1783:Sox is too slangy. Change to White Sox.--
41:Knowledge talk:Featured article candidates
2704:The image issues are now resolved. Yeah!
2195:think the semi-colon improves it further.
92:, and everything appears to be in order.
1174:Now I think I finally got everything :)
525:Don't need to link Texas League again.--
313:, is recognized as a baseball historian
3113:$ 310 in damages from the auto accident
2964:West Mineral, Kansas on August 29, 1919
2414:Knowledge:Public domain#Published works
1363:"which prompted concern for Indians..."
2110:— Fixed a few formatting issues using
2587:) be appropriate for fair use here?
1054:Noted, I won't strike anything else.
833:instead of Closing pitcher say closer
18:Knowledge:Featured article candidates
7:
967:Tigers would agree s/b Tigers agreed
697:Change career-highs to career-bests
132:Yay baseball! A few quick comments:
3049:Reworded, hopefully this is better.
2972:Should there not be a comma after "
3412:Have you pinged Tony to revisit?
1078:been that the squad was just bad).
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2999:due to the team's struggling form
3019:After the 1939 season had begun
113:
2685:(outdent) New image uploaded.
380:Sacramento Senators and Solons
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3363:This article qualifies for FA
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2262:Can one purchase a contract?
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1997:01:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
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1917:due to eagerness seems POV.--
1911:01:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
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1748:It looks like you fixed it.--
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3009:After the 1939 season began
2989:due to the team's struggles
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2908:15:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
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1849:rm now from of now being.--
1776:07:11, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
838:top outing s/b best outing.
397:13:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
373:16:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
358:16:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
349:What's the status on this?
31:featured article nomination
3559:
2585:"Virtual Card Collection"
704:A best ERA is a low!!!!--
271:More as I get more time.
3539:Please do not modify it.
751:No comma after season.--
309:The author of the site,
253:Done with above points.
36:Please do not modify it.
2142:<Off topic moved to
467:Doubleheader (baseball)
56:00:19, 14 January 2009
3187:Is it supposed to be "
3135:I think it should be "
3042:"? Should it not be "
2581:Grove's baseball card
1008:Article copyedited. –
748:an interesting honor
463:Minor League Baseball
130:Comments from Maralia
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2391:File:Orval Grove.jpg
3256:I think the words "
3040:credit for the loss
2982:Minor league career
2040:Most are done now.
306:a reliable source?
3044:blame for the loss
2361:Cleanup complete.
2289:it's still there.
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2094:Comment by
797:accident"--
302:What makes
65:Orval Grove
3458:Giants2008
3241:Later life
2957:Early life
2877:Giants2008
2825:Giants2008
2800:Giants2008
2780:Giants2008
2365:Giants2008
2345:Giants2008
2293:Giants2008
2229:Lou Gehrig
2216:otherwise.
2117:Cyclonenim
2112:Advisor.js
2096:Cyclonenim
2078:WP:CHICAGO
2026:WP:CHICAGO
1988:WP:CHICAGO
1936:WP:CHICAGO
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1628:WP:CHICAGO
1594:WP:CHICAGO
1571:Watch the
1556:WP:CHICAGO
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1385:Giants2008
1289:Giants2008
1112:WP:CHICAGO
1041:WP:CHICAGO
1022:example.--
993:WP:CHICAGO
951:WP:CHICAGO
930:see below.
906:WP:CHICAGO
885:See below.
876:Continuing
863:WP:CHICAGO
816:WP:CHICAGO
770:WP:CHICAGO
723:WP:CHICAGO
680:WP:CHICAGO
623:WP:CHICAGO
587:WP:CHICAGO
544:WP:CHICAGO
3500:Wizardman
3434:Wizardman
3402:Wizardman
3390:Wizardman
3369:Jappalang
3356:Wizardman
3338:Jappalang
3317:Jappalang
3297:Wizardman
3278:Jappalang
3216:Jappalang
3153:Jappalang
3147:" if he "
3072:Jappalang
2936:Jappalang
2902:Wizardman
2848:Wizardman
2765:Wizardman
2690:Wizardman
2653:Wizardman
2614:Jappalang
2589:Jappalang
2539:Wizardman
2518:Jappalang
2480:Wizardman
2437:Jappalang
2239:Wizardman
2213:no-hitter
2045:Wizardman
1958:Wizardman
1467:Wizardman
1422:Wizardman
1407:Wizardman
1313:Wizardman
1179:Wizardman
1152:Wizardman
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487:Wizardman
406:Wizardman
389:Jappalang
367:Wizardman
339:Wizardman
258:Wizardman
174:Wizardman
144:Wizardman
97:Wizardman
78:Wizardman
3149:received
3123:from the
2950:Comments
2706:Awadewit
2632:Awadewit
2559:Awadewit
2499:Awadewit
2455:Awadewit
2395:Awadewit
2126:contribs
2106:contribs
1573:WP:PUNCT
1498:Comments
1342:Ed Lopat
1280:readers.
1200:Comments
434:Ealdgyth
351:Ealdgyth
322:Ealdgyth
286:Comments
50:promoted
3481:Georgia
3452:Support
3416:Georgia
3229:reader.
3141:awarded
3127:for the
3121:Is it "
2997:Would "
2924:Support
2740:"Nixed"
2727:Graham
2723:Support
2150:Georgia
2082:WP:LOTM
2057:Support
2030:WP:LOTM
1992:WP:LOTM
1940:WP:LOTM
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1872:WP:LOTM
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1668:WP:LOTM
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1560:WP:LOTM
1526:WP:LOTM
1480:Support
1447:Georgia
1116:WP:LOTM
1045:WP:LOTM
997:WP:LOTM
955:WP:LOTM
910:WP:LOTM
867:WP:LOTM
820:WP:LOTM
774:WP:LOTM
727:WP:LOTM
684:WP:LOTM
627:WP:LOTM
591:WP:LOTM
548:WP:LOTM
273:Maralia
213:Maralia
156:Maralia
109:Support
3525:(talk)
3125:" or "
2974:Kansas
2926:as of
2610:Digest
2555:WP:NFC
2331:(talk)
2280:(talk)
2181:(talk)
2146:.: -->
1093:out.--
449:Oppose
3479:Sandy
3465:17-14
3414:Sandy
3313:Grove
3273:Grove
3258:votes
2884:17-14
2832:17-14
2807:17-14
2787:17-14
2372:17-14
2352:17-14
2300:17-14
2227:Note:
2148:Sandy
2130:email
1445:Sandy
1392:17-14
1340:Link
1296:17-14
461:Link
387:")?
297:Done.
195:Done.
16:<
3519:Tony
3486:Talk
3421:Talk
3373:talk
3342:talk
3321:talk
3282:talk
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3157:talk
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2729:Colm
2710:talk
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2583:(at
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2522:talk
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2325:Tony
2274:Tony
2203:Yes.
2175:Tony
2155:Talk
2144:talk
2122:talk
2100:talk
1452:Talk
1441:Dabs
746:with
438:Talk
393:talk
355:Talk
326:Talk
315:here
277:talk
217:talk
160:talk
117:eran
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2007:.--
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