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535:"Traits shared by O. hammondi and Oecomys included: tail unicolored, with the same coloration above and below; parietal bones extending to the sides of the skull; zygomatic plate narrow, without a zygomatic notch; posteroloph present on upper third molar; mesoflexus (a valley in the molar crown in front of the mesoloph crest) on upper second molar not divided in two." Needs tweaking to make more grammatical; I'm thinking specifically about the fragments like "zygomatic plate narrow" and "tail uncoloured" 765:
Thanks for the review. I continue to write articles for those articles (though at a slow pace); I think they deserve articles and therefore also links from here. However, I found out that I had done some inefficient linking and was able to get rid of a few of the red links in the skull description.
1047:, however, is troublesome as it says "self made, used another image (in public domain) in commons and edited it". This image itself would then be a derivative. What is the other image? How can we confirm it's PD? Were canislupusarctos' changes sufficient to generate the new, claimed copyright? 252:
dots are in northwestern Ecuador; the blue mark is simply not as "northwest" as the red. Therefore, I don't think that "east-central" Ecuador would accurately describe its location. I'm being quite nitpicky here because this is fundamentally a great article (and I wouldn't oppose over such a small
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To summarise - the article represents a huge challenge in accessibility to the lay reader of a stack of highly technical information, however meaning cannot be lost. I can't see what else can be done in this regard, but I do feel the scientist name issue will make the prose a little smoother.
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I share the same reservations as Jim about the description section; it's hard for me to read as its largely a bunch of words I've never heard of, with no accompanying picture to follow. But I imagine the microscopy sections I write for fungal taxa provide a similar experience for others
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I think for a lay reader, names of scientists read much better if they are (first name surname) at first instance (and then surname), rather than all their initials. I have changed the ones I can see, but the others would be good. If you really prefer initials, I won't stop you
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Well, there is a picture of the skull. I continue to improve our anatomical articles related to the rodents I describe. The characters I describe inform what is inferred about its relationships, the most prominent theme in what has been written about it.
1043:. The former, thus, shouldn't be using a license with the "self" variant, as the "I, the copyright holder of this work..." then refers to the creator of the derivative, who does not hold the copyright (this is a very minor housekeeping issue). 201:- no dab links, a couple of domain changes in external links. Question re alt text: the text for the map reads "a red mark in northwestern Ecuador and a blue mark in eastern Ecuador" - are the dots misplaced, or is there an error in the alt text? 297:(Should have made clear that Concepcion is the green, not the red thing in the Google Maps link.) Making borders more visible might be good, but my graphical skills are limited and I haven't yet been able to find a good base map to do that with. 719:
well researched and thorough as ever, but I'm concerned about the number of technical red links. These either need to be linked to stub articles, given a gloss (as some have been) or omitted when not actually adding anything. As an example,
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I agree that the red mark is in northwestern Ecuador; however, the blue mark is right beside it, meaning that you could say it's east of the red mark, but definitely not far enough away to be in eastern Ecuador.
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I think this is a concise yet clear way to list such characters. Recasting those into full sentences would make the text more lengthy without really enhancing the reader's understanding. I tweaked a little,
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Three consecutive sentences start with "He", should probably mix them up to reduce repetition; similarly, I noticed three instances of "noted" and another three of "noting" all relatively close to each
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It may not be immediately obvious (especially to the general reader) that it's talking about classification. "Associated with" may mean to some that they are all found in the same habitat
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Ah, I see! That explains a lot :) Don't suppose there's any way to make the borders slightly more visible so people like me can not sound crazy? Apologies for the confusion...
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I do think it's important that even the details of the alt text are right. But I hope there'll be some reviewers soon who also address the other aspects of the article. :)
1004:- Image is apparently from a PhD thesis. I'm not entirely convinced that it would be reasonable to expect that copyright registration, if any, would be reported in the 409:"Formerly associated with Nectomys, Sigmodontomys, Megalomys, or Oryzomys, it is now placed in its own genus, Mindomys" please clarify what is meant by "associated with" 657:
I've struck through all the above, and am leaning towards support pending a check for 1b and 1c (although based on your past work, I'm not expecting to find anything).
1025:, which has all copyright renewals since 1978, does not list Ray's thesis. (I will add this to the image description page if you consider it sufficient.) 439:"…on the basis of…" there's a guy that goes around changing this phrase to "…based on…", so you might consider switching preemptively if you agree with it 268: 40: 453:
He appears very unlikely to be notable. Thomas barely mentions him, except to say that he collected the type, and I've never heard of him elsewhere.
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Thanks for the review and improvements in the prose! I changed the two remaining instances of initials and glossed "monophyletic" with "coherent".
546:"Various crests develop on the long braincase" what's the rationale for using the word braincase instead of skull (to which the link redirects)? 956:- I know we must have discussed this before - do you think any meaning is lost by adding the word 'coherent' or 'discrete' here for laypeople? 30: 17: 478:
I like the word here, because "now" more clearly contrasts his 1948 opinion with the one he had in 1944, but am open to improved wording.
622:"In 1999, Eisenberg and Redford instead suggested that the species may live in trees." did they say on what evidence this was based on? 741:
Mindomys lacks an alisphenoid strut, an extension of a bone in the base of the skull which in some other oryzomyines separates two
413:"considered to be related with", I think. I could change it to that, although to me "associated with" already implies that meaning. 215:
Thanks for the check. I don't see your issue in the alt text; as far as I can see, both marks are where the alt text says they are.
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Good point. Italicized nomen nudum as the ICZN appears to do that in at least some places. Thanks for the helpful comments!
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have been caught there. I think it is two in 1913, five about 1930, and one more in 1980. Is "collected" the unclear word?
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comes from, the specimen which fixes the application of a name. It's linked earlier in the text, in the etymology for
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Actually, it is not in the northwest. The map doesn't clearly show that because the borders are nearly invisible, but
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Ah, I shouldn't assume that everyone knows that kind of jargon. The type locality is the place where the
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I killed that link earlier today because we don't have an article on the concept of a fossa in general;
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Refers to the sphenopalatine vacuities in the previous sentence; should be a little bit clearer now.
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That's a bad redirect. The braincase is the piece of the skull that surrounds the brain, behind the
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Thanks for the image review. You are probably right there. However, according to our article on
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collected I understood. What is a type locality? Are they only native to one little place?
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Eight specimens have been collected at the type locality, Mindo, between 1913 and 1980.
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Google Maps link has Concepcion (our blue dot) clearly not in northwestern Ecuador.
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upon condition that comments (above) are sorted out. Also, what does this mean?
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Please revert any inadvertent changes I make to meaning. I'll jot queries below:
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Yes, that looks murky. I'll redraw it from a more clearly licensed base map.
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Thanks! Good luck with the check; I don't think it'll cost you much time. :)
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why are the vernacular names only in the lead and not the main article text?
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detail), but I still feel it's best to be as accurate as possible. Cheers,
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about him. If that's all we know, there's not much to put in an article.
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Linked buff and montane forest. Rostrum has nothing useful to link to.
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I'll begin a read-through now and massage the prose for flow as I go.
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It is there now. Thanks for the note; good that someone checks this.
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This is one of the rarest, most isolated, and most endangered of the
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Neotropics is both capitalized, and not, in the first book reference
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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Thanks for the review; I've tried to address Sasata's comments.
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I recast the entire sentence; the passive voice was unnecessary.
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My issues were addressed. This is a very interesting article.
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That's the same way I've done it in my other three rodent FAs (
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Perhaps something like "east-central Ecuador" would be better?
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link subgeneric; somewhere in here there should be link for
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Sorry for the delay, missed this reply. My concern is that
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Subgenus is already linked. Classification is linked now.
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how about winks to montane forest, rostrum, buff (color)
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Knowledge:Featured article candidates
featured article nomination
Knowledge talk:Featured article candidates
SandyGeorgia

Mindomys
Mindomys
edit
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Ucucha
03:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Featured article candidates/Mindomys/archive1
Analysis
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rice rats
Ucucha
03:40, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Ealdgyth
Talk
18:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Nikkimaria
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