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2264:"A nonmetal is a chemical element that, in the broadest sense of the term, has a relatively low density and high electronegativity. More generally they are deemed to lack a preponderance of metallic properties such as luster or shininess; the capacity to be flattened into a sheet or drawn into a wire; good thermal and electrical conductivity; and the capacity to form a basic (rather than acidic) oxide. Since there is no rigorous definition of a nonmetal, some variation exists among sources as to which elements are classified as such. The decisions involved depend on which property or properties are regarded as most indicative of nonmetallic or metallic character." 2433:§Cost: "Based on the available literature as of April 2023, while the cited costs of most nonmetals are less than the $ US0.74 per gram cost of silver, boron, phosphorus, germanium, xenon, and radon (notionally) are exceptions:" The lack of distinction of silver as not part of the rest of the list makes it a bit difficult to parse this on first reading. I suggest two sentences, for example: "Based on the available literature as of April 2023, the cited costs of most nonmetals are less than the $ US0.74 per gram cost of silver. Boron, phosphorus, germanium, xenon, and radon (notionally) are exceptions:" 2378:(an organic chemist) observed, virtually all the compounds they care about are made from combinations of nonmetals; and it is inherently difficult to write an article about a topic that is defined by what it is not: not-a-metal, especially when there are clear edge cases. Nevertheless, and here it is me who is resuming the narrative, whole books have been written about nonmetals, the most recent of which was an updated (2020) English version of the German 5th edition on nonmetals of 2013, incorporating the literature up to Spring 2019. 1663:, a vibrant area of inorganic chemistry. The cutting edge topics in main group chemistry are missing (or scattered throughout Knowledge (XXG)). But again, I have tried to debate this distinction previously with little traction from other editors but eliciting a robust defense (territoriality?) by Sandbh. I also am opinionated. The article looks nice, presents truths, and is well organized. Good luck with the FA. -- 509:"Generally, from 14 to 23 elements are recognized as nonmetals.": this reads oddly. Do most people say that there are between 14 and 23, or do most sources have a specific intervening number in mind? We could either do something like "most chemists recognise between 14 and 23", or something like "14 elements are unanimously recognised as nonmetals, with a further 9 debated", or similar. 2221:"The distinctive properties of nonmetallic elements allow for specific applications that often cannot be fulfilled by metallic elements alone. Living organisms are composed almost entirely of the nonmetals hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen. Nonmetallic elements are important to industries ranging from electronics and energy storage to agriculture and chemical production." 858:"The elements commonly recognized as metalloids (boron; silicon and germanium; arsenic and antimony; and tellurium) are sometimes counted as an intermediate class between the metals and the nonmetals when the criteria used to distinguish between metals and nonmetals are inconclusive. At other times they are counted as nonmetals in light of their nonmetallic chemistry. 527:"While the term non-metallic dates from as far back as 1566, there is no widely agreed precise definition of a nonmetal. Some elements have a marked mixture of metallic and nonmetallic properties, and which of these borderline cases are counted as nonmetals varies on the classification criteria. Generally, from 14 to 23 elements are recognized as nonmetals." 440:, which has the same rule as you described. Please don't take these comments as some kind of test: the idea is to improve the article to a point where reviewers can support, not to tick off all the comments. It's the improvement of the article and the final product that count, not having a response to the questions raised. 848:"At other times they are counted as nonmetals in light of their nonmetallic chemistry": I'm not sure what "their nonmetallic chemistry" means here, given that their properties seem to be partly those of metals, partly those of nonmetals. Do you mean "the chemical properties they share with nonmetals" or similar? 809:, which has all the problems of a parenthetical citation except the parentheses. Since you're claiming to cite something undisputed, the precise source of the information shouldn't feature in the text (since, in theory, any reliable source would say the same): it should simply be part of the footnoted citation. 645:"The decisions involved depend on which properties are regarded..." grammatically includes that possibility, but this one might be somewhat a matter of taste. "Any persons who enter the camp will be shot" doesn't mean that you're safe if walk in alone: the plural is understood to include the singular. 2016:
P.S. Please discount my opinion greatly. I have no relevant expertise at all, and i sort of wish i never butted in (though i vaguely recall maybe i was invited somehow) at all. I originally thot my "outsider" perspective would be helpful but i think it was not. In fact i feel for my own peace of mind
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The article seems to be inconsistent as to when to write out numbers as words, and when as figures. For instance, we have " Generally, from 14 to 23 elements are recognized as nonmetals" and "Two nonmetals, hydrogen and helium, make up about 99 percent of ordinary matter in the observable universe by
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Sandbh (principal author of this FA nom) and I have been around this issue previously: I like neither the title nor the scope of the article. It is written like a old-fashioned high school-level overview of a theme that does not exist in my world as an inorganic chemist. Fuddy-duddy. "Nonmetal"
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The citation density in this section isn't great; in the first paragraph, for example, we have three sentences, bundle-cite to three pages of a text. It would be clearer, more verifiable and more reassuring to break down precisely where each claim comes from, or at least to bundle only by the claims
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These sentences in the Lead "Most nonmetals have biological, technological or domestic applications". "Nearly all nonmetals have individual uses in medicine, pharmaceuticals, lighting, lasers, and household items" are also true for metals. The article still doesn't come across as authoritative. I
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As I recall about this topic, the term is not one in general use. My impression is that it is an artifact of the early days when people were trying to make sense of the elements and compounds and tried "metal" vs. "non-metal" as a classification, as part of a way of understanding. The lede speaks
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I originally showed the cite as four pages but one of the pages has an historical picture which adds nothing to Edwards' explanation so I’ve trimmed that one page from the cite. He manages to spread out his explanation over the 2.5 pages hence my citation (now) refers to three pages. The first cite
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We are discussing if the article is of FA standard and I don't think it is. I also think there are problems with the title, (do chemists have a unique concept of a metal that material scientists don't share?) and current scope of the article. I find the noisy table confuses me more than it informs
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As I said in an earlier review, it is inherently difficult to write an article about a topic that is defined by what it is not: not-a-metal, especially when there are clear edge cases. Nevertheless, as an organic chemist, virtually all the compounds I care about are made from combinations of these
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Copernicium (element 112) may turn out to be an insulator and flerovium (114) and oganesson (118) may turn out to be semiconductors, rather than metals, due to relativistic effects. Bulk quantities of these elements have not been synthesized so all we can go on is theory and inference. Since there
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It’s rarity and intense radioactivity make an assessment of its metallic or nonmetallic status quite difficult. Nobody has ever seen astatine, for example, since a visible quantity would immediately vaporise from the intense heat emitted by its radioactivity. While general sources don’t forget its
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No, everything is not either coloured or colourless. Only a few metals such as gold, for example, are coloured, the rest have a lustrous, shiny or “metallic” appearance. Among the nonmetals there are shiny nonmetals like graphite; coloured ones such as sulfur, and colourless ones like hydrogen.
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The age of source does not necessarily affect its relevance. In this case the three citations are listed in reverse date order to show that the difficulty of defining what a nonmetal is dates back ca. 150 years. In other cases I recall it was not technically possible, in some instances, to have
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as if this is a modern thing, however. I believe it must be explained this is a framework once believed to be helpful, and then what its current status is (either not regarded as helpful by anyone, or regarded helpful by some (whom?) for some reasons to be explained in the body of the article.
1473:"Plasticity occurs under limited circumstances only in carbon, phosphorus, sulfur, and selenium": are these the only nonmetals to show plasticity, or do these specific nonmetals only show plasticity in rare circumstances? More generally, I don't think this statement is actually cited anywhere. 2384:
6. Any chemistry textbook will refer to the concepts of metals and nonmetals, and their differences. Yes, some fuzziness occurs in the frontier territory where the metals meet the nonmetals, and the article captures this, consistent with literature and the nature of chemistry. --- thank you,
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I do appreciate the box at the top right showing a portion of the periodic table of elements, identifying non-metals vs. metalloids. And the inclusion of the recognizable small version of a complete periodic table at the bottom. In my past comments, I believe I was adamant that graphical
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Thanks for your efforts in responding to my comments. I'm going to hold off before voting, partly because I don't have the technical expertise to endorse the article's content, and partly because I've only been able to copy-edit part of the article so far. I'll keep an eye on this page; my
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3. The article notes that there is no rigorous definition of a nonmetal; that some variation exists among sources as to which elements are classified as such; and that the decisions involved depend on which property or properties are regarded as most indicative of nonmetallic or metallic
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Thx for the ping, Sandbh; I wish I could help, especially considering all the time I put in to this article last year, but real life has not been kind to me of late, and I am struggling to keep up with health issues on the homefront and barely keeping up on Knowledge (XXG). So sorry :(
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I would feel uncomfortable seeing this article on the Main Page as TFA. It does not give me the impression that the concept of a "nonmetal" is anything more than a vague, and an ill-defined one. Despite reading it, I am still left wondering if indeed they exist! Since you asked, I
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The citation for Bodner & Pardue says, "When the chemistry of these elements is discussed, hydrogen is separated from the others and astatine is ignored because it is radioactive." The citation for Cherim says, "Astatine is often ignored because of unavailability." ---
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is to Herzfeld, as mentioned by Edwards, who first explained the microscopic electronic origins of the differences between metals and nonmetals. I have now switched the order of the cites in the bundle, since Herzfeld is there only because he is mentioned by Edwards. ---
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I agree with you; any reliable source would say the same. The insight that Hawley’s provides is mentioned earlier in that any list of nonmetals is open to challenge, as the next sentence in the article illustrates with regard to carbon, phosphorus and selenium. ---
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Hmm. WP does not, AFAIK, have a preferred style of citing/bibliography construction aside from deprecating parenthetical cites (nor do the FA criteria). The formatting of the bibliography e.g. in the case of journals and monographs is fairly self-evident. ---
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Comparable values nearby one another should be all spelled out or all in figures, even if one of the numbers would normally be written differently: patients' ages were five, seven, and thirty-two or ages were 5, 7, and 32, but not ages were five, seven, and
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As I recall from before, perhaps the most salient thing about this topic is that there is NOT general agreement about what defines non-metals, what elements are included or not. The lede states that, but then goes on to speak as if there exists objective
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mass. Five nonmetallic elements...". I don't think the MOS has a strong opinion either way, but this should certainly be consistent within a sentence, generally be consistent within a passage, and as far as possible follow some logic across the article.
2428:§Unclassified nonmetals: "In periodic-table terms, a geographic analogy..." There is a stray double quote mark at the end of the paragraph. Is there a missing opening quote mark (in which case embedded quotes should be single) or can it be removed? 902:"Astatine, the fifth halogen, is often ignored": I'm not sure you mean "ignored": sources don't forget it exists, they choose not to count it. More generally, why would Astatine's rarity and/or radioactivity count against its being a nonmetal? 1086:
The second paragraph has one bundle-cite of two citations: Herzfeld (1927), and Edwards (2000). The whole paragraph is a condensed summary of what Edwards says (in ten paragraphs, over ~2.5 pages), as part of a 29-page chapter in the book,
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a non-specialist's input and support on technical articles. We are writing an encyclopedia and it is always nice to know that such articles are not merely informing those who are already informed. So you have provided a valuable service.
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This has been open for more than three weeks and has yet to pick up a support. Unless it attracts considerable movement towards a consensus to promote over the next three or four days I am afraid that it will have to be archived.
1223:"For boron, graphitic carbon, silicon, black phosphorus, germanium, arsenic, selenium, antimony, tellurium, and iodine, their structures": clearer to rephrase subject-first: "The structures of boron, graphitic carbon ..." 729:
Steudel’s monograph is an updated translation of the 5th German edition of 2013, incorporating the literature up to Spring 2019. After five editions over four decades, there is no other comparable source.
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guidance and added an in-text attribution, since the quote encompasses nigh on a complete sentence. I did the same for one other such example I found upon checking the article (re "snowflakes"). ---
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for KS4 (Years 10 and 11) says, "Trends in the periodic table; Explain the reactivity and general properties as related to the atomic structure of groups 1, 7 and 0; between metals and non-metals."
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I don't feel in a position to support, I'm afraid. Scanning through the remainder of the article, there's still work to be done on prose, clarity and MOS. I'm not sure whether that makes me an
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To clarify, single numbers appearing in text (one, two, three…nine) are written in words, larger numbers are written as figures e.g. 6,043,204. That is what I meant to say the first time. ---
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First read done. I realise that this is quite a big job; I'm not sure I'm going to be able to do a full review, but will make some comments aimed at improving clarity, readability and prose.
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I am sorry not to be more helpful, but the first two items I just mentioned undermine my ability to see this as featured-ready. I do hope this is helpful nonetheless. --Doncram (
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As further up, WL terms like "delocalised electrons", and consider explaining in text or a footnote if understanding them is crucial to the reader's comprehension of the text.
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on each page. The bundle-cite for the second paragraph would also benefit from the same treatment: telling readers that everything in this (not overly small) chunk of text is
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The semiconducting or insulating status of an element is not always helpful in determining nonmetallic status. So, carbon as graphite—which is as good a nonmetal as any—is a
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I've never seen a hatnote like "Physical properties apply to elements in their most stable forms in ambient conditions": how does this usage compare with other Chemistry FAs?
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The superheavy elements copernicium (element 112), flerovium (114), and oganesson (118) may turn out to be nonmetals. As of April 2023 their status has not been confirmed.
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Brilliant: some explanation of that would help considerably. I'm still not sure that "ignored" is the right word; it suggest carelessness or arrogance, and so is arguably
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suggests but, given that Knowledge (XXG) has such an article I think it is reasonable to evaluate it by the usual FA criteria. On that basis, I support its promotion.
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with it: this is an advisory comment. However, using (for example) {{cite book}} would make the article more durable (in other words, idiot-proof) for future editors.
316:. It may take me a little while to address your comments as I expect to have intermittent and unpredictable internet access for the next four days. I’ll see how I go. 2242:. Rather than a black or white categorisation, the definition provides that the greater the number of criteria satisfied, the more reliable is the characterisation. 1785:
all of whom have previously reviewed the article. All are invited to comment, but none are obligated. I would've included DePiep but for him being site-banned. ---
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I've added a wlinked footnote saying, "Metallic or nonmetallic character is usually taken to be indicated by one property rather than two or more properties." ---
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This is my sixth time at FAC for this article; attempt #5, when the article was then called "Nonmetal", was closed on September 26, 2022, some seven months ago.
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This is very good. I removed the “only” and merged the footnote into the text, after some trimming of the main body text. It looks much better now, thanks. ---
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No further comments after reading through the rest of the article. It gives a good overview of the various aspects of not-being-a-metal. It is a pleasure to
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I think your previous pings may have malfunctioned; square brackets yield piped links, not pings. Perhaps asking on their user talk pages would work better?
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science. Three sources are cited separately here; elsewhere, they are bundled into a single footnote. Would suggest adopting the latter approach throughout.
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and in spite of the supports the nomination has garnered, it seems that a consensus to promote is not going to form. So, with regret, I am archiving this.
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Closer to home, a search of American Chemical Society journals for the terms "non(-)metal/s", yielded the following numbers of hits over the periods shown:
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It's not, I'm afraid, at least not to me. I'd suggest expanding that sentence to be clearer about which nonmetallic characteristics you're talking about.
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Saving a space. Not a chemist, so I'll mostly be commenting on prose, as well as clarity/accessibility from a (definite) non-expert's point of view.
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This begs the question of who will make the determination and on what basis. And if there is a basis, then why are non-metals not really definable?
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The sentence now reads, "At other times they are counted as nonmetals in light of their predominately nonmetallic (weakly acidic) chemistry." ---
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is a demarcation in some depictions of the Periodic Table about the properties of elements. IMHO, the topic should be expanded and relabeled to
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elements and together they represent the overwhelming majority of known compounds. The term "nonmetal" may indeed be falling out of fashion, as
1402:"For the colorless nonmetals (hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and the noble gases) their": this and similar examples need a comma after the brackets 1335:"For chlorine, its "familiar yellow-green colour...is due to a broad region of absorption in the violet and blue regions of the spectrum"": per 2195:
can't see how our readers will gain an understanding of what a nonmetal is (if indeed such a thing exists) when even the authors seem unsure.
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with the way that it's currently set up, but having such a colossal bibliography formatted entirely manually seems like asking for trouble in
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By itself I can see it could read oddly but, but the context is given by the preceding two sentences. Does that make what’s going on clearer?
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9 written in figures and larger numbers are spelt out. I suspect I’ve followed this convention consistently but will check the article again.
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are no semiconducting or insulating metals the classification decisions for these superheavy elements should be relatively straightforward.
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Yes, the “only” means only in those nonmetals. The footnote immediately following lists in what forms these four show plasticity. ---
2308:, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. 1611:, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either support or oppose this nomination? Obviously, neither is obligatory. Thanks. 2453:
Thank you Mirokado. I have removed the stray double quote mark, and split the long costs sentence into two, as you suggested. ---
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The article breaks that rule in the lede, with "Generally, from 14 to 23 elements are recognized as nonmetals". We've also got
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who commented during FAC nomination #2. Are you able to comment on this nomination(?); there's no obligation. Thank you ---
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Also thanks for the ping. I will be happy to look at this starting 6 June or thereabouts, but cannot do much before then. --
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I suspect the sentence of concern is clear in the context of the preceding sentence but if not could you please let me know?
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It is written that way since most sources attempt to distinguish nonmetals using one property. This is elaborated in the
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Citing an 1892 source seems odd for "there is no rigorous definition of a nonmetal", which is implicitly talking about
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1. I understand that FAC opposes are judged based on the merits attached to the oppose rather than the oppose itself.
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Done, noting that sometimes the decision as to wether or not to add a comma seemed to be rather finely balanced. ---
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who commented during FAC nomination #1. Are you able to comment on this nomination(?); there's no obligation. ---
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who commented during FAC nomination #2. Are you able to comment on this nomination(?); there's no obligation. ---
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I may have missed some: just to clarify, it's normal practice in longer articles to link the first use in the lead
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Re the authoritativeness of the article, chemistry has all sorts of fuzzy definitions. For example, there is the
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I’ve added a short html note to the front of the Bibliography section setting out a referencing style guide. ---
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I follow an Australian style guide, which I don’t have access to right now and that I recall says numbers up to
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at the top of the Elements commonly recognised as metalloids section. I’ve copy-edited the note in question.
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5. As Mike further noted, combinations of nonmetals represent the overwhelming majority of known compounds.
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AFAIK, the term nonmetal remains in relatively popular use. For example, the Royal Society of Chemistry's
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Yes; citation isn't enough here, there also needs to be attribution (e.g. "According to Elliot..."), per
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the noble gases helium, neon, argon, krypton, xenon, and radon, as given by (for example) Larrañaga et al
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Would you be in a position to review your ability to see this article as featured-ready? Thank you, ---
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Thanks for your closing comment that, "the article looks nice, presents truths, and is well organized."
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I've added "or opposite" and adjusted the following mention of chlorine to serve as an example. ---
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I replaced all English spellings of colour with their US versions except for direct quotations. —--
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Most of the third paragraph appears to be uncited, or at least it isn't clear what's cited to where.
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Excellent: attributed sources should always be briefly introduced, so make that clear in the text.
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Steudel: who/what is this, and why is their opinion being given such prominence in the article?
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Responding to ping. This will not be a complete review. I just read the lede and some more.
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The first paragraph has two citations and two notes; in turn, the notes have seven citations.
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redirects to this article and it was done without a discussion. How does this not violate
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has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see
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Oh, I see. Or should that be “d’oh” I see. Good thing I asked and will try again. —-
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I’ve removed the parentheses and adjusted the "remove the address to reader" aspect.
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Re the uses of nonmetals I have adjusted the subject paragraph in the Lead to read:
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I have likewise adjusted the corresponding section in the main body of the article.
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me. The article just doesn't come across as an "example of our best work". Sorry.
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Article checked. I believe it follows the numbering convention consistently. ---
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Imagine the sentence written without the brackets: "For the colorless nonmetals
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Avoid abbreviations like "e.g." in prose; use "for example", "such as" instead.
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I removed Larrañaga et al. and replaced it with the name of the monograph:
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I recall wiki-linking all first uses of technical terms; I’ll check again.
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existence they regularly ignore further consideration of its properties.
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Thanks. I believe this section may be OK now in terms of its wlinks. ---
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Brilliant: that should be clarified in the text. The citation does show
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those four show plasticity; however, there's nothing cited to say that
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I have read through to the Uses section and will continue later.----
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I’ve added a footnote that explains the significance of Steudel. ---
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A further copy edit was requested and this has now been completed by
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Nonmetallic elements are either shiny, colored, or colorless: isn't
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I’ve rearranged the paragraph and added some further citations. ---
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3D should be spelt out as "three-dimensional", similar to the above.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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presentation like this, up front, was needed. Thank you for that.
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The subject sentence occurs at the end of the following paragraph:
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Headslap! Sorry!! I explained the rule the wrong way 'round. ---
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The situation with regard to what is a nonmetal is no different.
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nonmetals (sulfur, fluorine, chlorine, bromine) absorb some
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Copy edited for consistency with the rest of the paragraph.
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multiple citations bundled together. I’ll check that again.
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Changed to "depending on the classification criteria used."
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All the double or triple cites have now been bundled. ---
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Lots of technical terms here could/should be wikilinked.
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Knowledge (XXG):Featured article candidates
featured article nomination
Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured article candidates
Gog the Mild
FACBot
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Nonmetal (chemistry)
Sandbh
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hydrogen
carbon
chemical element
metal
aluminum
iron
Dhtwiki
Guild of Copy Editors
SandyGeorgia
John
Reaper Eternal
Graham Beards
WP:ELEM
WP:CHEM
Sandbh
talk
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Nonmetal
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