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177:. The ship saw heavy service during World War I, including the Battle of Jutland and Operation Albion. I feel the article is high quality and is at or close to FA standards. Any issues that may be found can be ironed out during the FAC. Thanks in advance to all those who take the time to review the article. 580:
According to Koop & Schmolke page 117 the Königs Class ships carried 6 x 8.8cm L/35 - C/06 MPL which were later replaced by either 2 or 4 x 8.8cm Flak L/45 C/13 MPL. This means that Markgraf either carried 6 (in the beginning) and later either 2 or 4 8.8cm guns, but never 10. I think this needs a
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Sorry but I don't understand something about the 8.8 cm König class battleship armament in general. The König class battleship article states that initially it carried six 8.8 cm (3.45 in) SK L/45 quick-firing guns which were later removed and replaced with four 8.8 cm SK L/45 anti-aircraft guns. In
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Post review comment: Due to the use of the map an inconsistent spelling of Großer Kurfürst is introduced to the article. The map spells the ships name with ß while the article spells it as Grosser Kurfürst. Can we settle on one variant?
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It's a fact that is mentioned in both German sources I own. I think it is noteworthy because it is a tribute to the Empire member states, the conglomerate that constituted the German Empire of the time.
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I don't know that I'd call the armored cruisers of the 1st CS elderly. They were made obsolete by the introduction of the battlecruiser, but were less than a dozen years old.
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the infobox (both in König class battleship as well as in the SMS Markgraf infobox) it reads: 10 × 8.8 cm (3.5 in) guns! Shouldn't it state: 4 or 6 × 8.8 cm (3.5 in) guns?
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The images were more than likely published as some sort of pamphlet for ship crews. The direct source (i.e., where I scanned them from) was a reproduction of the plates by
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Groner gives the design speed as 21 knots, and the same speed on trials (FWIF, Grosser Kurfurst made 21.2 knots and Kronprinz made 21.3 knots on trials).
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File:König_class_battleship_-_Jane's_Fighting_Ships,_1919_-_Project_Gutenberg_etext_24797.png - on what page of the source text does the image appear?
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Standardize the conversion of the displacement between the infobox and the main body. I'd suggest using LT|t in the template, but that's just me.
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Groner seems to indicate that the ships carried the six QF and four AA guns as built, and all six QF and two of the AA guns were later removed.
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I disagree with this as a requirement for 1b/c - the namesake is uncommon in the major secondary sources we rely on for all ships, not just the
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Elaborate on source "German Warships of World War I" (File:SMS_Konig.jpg) - is this a book? If so, publisher and page(s)? If not, what is it?
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vol. 37 on SMS Konig, and it confirms that the L/35 guns were replaced by the L/45 Flak guns - it must be a typographical error in Groner.
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the ship was named after the house of Baden. If not added during A-Class review I would like to see it mentioned now at FAC review.
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Seems a very simplistic description of the armor scheme, but I guess that readers can go to the class article for more detail.
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Be consistent in what is wikilinked when - for example, why is London linked but not Oxford? Amherst but not Westport?
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is "Fate" a common subheadng in naval vessel articles? I'm not sure I like it, if it isn't. It's kinda vague...
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infobox, respectively the other König class battleship aticles/infoboxes (König, Großer Kurfürst and Kronprinz)
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Koop & Schmolke state that the construction speed was 21 kn. Question: does that mean true speed differed?
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Second post review comment: Can we add the same (same as in SMS Friedrich der Große) translation text : -->
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Hm, my English is worse than I thought. To my interpretation the article doesn't say this.
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says when; the most specific I can find is "later removed" which is not exactly helpful.
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Halpern says "minesweeters, mine hunters, mine breakers, submarines, and mother ships."
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File:Internment_at_Scapa_Flow.svg - Walk Thru History link appears to be broken
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I forgot to change it when I fixed the prose. Thanks for catching that.
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I have no problem with adding it - it was an oversight during the ACR.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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Another one of my German battleships, part of my nearly complete
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Coal or oil-fired? Number and type of boilers might be useful.
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What about the infobox? Here you still mention 10 8.8cm guns.
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Is there a link available to explain "recognition drawing"?
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The crew of 1136 men was 41 officers plus 1095 sailors.
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Note: I think you still have to make the change to the
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Looking at a sampling of other ship FACs, there's a
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