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Pola itself was not blockaded but the
Adriatic was. Haus believed that his ships were needed in port rather than out at sea to counter any possible attack from the Italians. Even if he let the ships out, the EFF would not have been the first to go as coal was scarce and it was reserved for the newer
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The wording of the first few sentences of the World War I section needs a bit of clarification. At the moment it could be read that the fleet was mobilised in anticipation of the assassination of
Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Putting dates in for the assassination and the mobilisation would get the
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On 23 May 1915, four hours after the
Italian declaration of war reached the main Austro-Hungarian naval base at Pola, Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand and the rest of the fleet departed to bombard the Italian coast, namely the important naval base at Ancona, and later the coast of Montenegro, without
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No, I've seen no evidence to suggest that the
Italians changed the names of any of the ships that they were given after the war. They were not even allowed to keep them after the Washington naval treaty so they simply scrapped them. It's not like EFF did anything under Italian
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I've done a bit of my own research and the only
Austrian destroyers that appear to have been lost during the war seem to have been SMS Lika, SMS Triglav (both struck mines in 1915), SMS Wildfang (sunk in 1917) and SMS Streiter (sunk in 1918). Was the ship perhaps refloated?
568:"At only 14,508 long tons (14,741 t) displacement, the Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand, like the other ships of the Radetzky-class was smaller" - could remove everything before the comma, as it repeats information given in the previous sentence. Also, need comma before "was"
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after copy-editing the article. Brief and terse, yet informative. I left an inline query about "husbanding" ships. I'm also not sure about personifying the ship as a "she"—I know this is common in ship circuits, but didn't we used to discourage such tone?
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I doubt that they knew that seaplanes would be used on her. The first flight had taken place only a few years before and no one really saw any military usefulness for these small planes for many years. Hence the lack of preparation for this
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Last paragraph in the WWI section. "Their operations were limited by
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By decommissioned, that means that the ship was removed from AH service and handed over to Italy. See my comment below, she was simply in
Italian hands for those years. Technically, commissioned in a sense but only rotting away in a dock
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Perhaps the newspaper report's use of "destroyer" is incorrect and it was a smaller ship. A note might be useful indicating that while it was reported in the NY Times, other records do not support the report.
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to be the first of the class and the ship that ends up being the first are different, simply because of obvious logistical issues and the difficulty of translating designs and plans into concrete action.
800:"The Austro-Hungarian navy was not satisfied with the operation; as the ships lacked cranes with which to lift the planes onto the decks, which were too small to accommodate the planes." Clumsy, rewrite.
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Westport and West Lafayette, shouldn't Annapolis and New York have states?
622:"The Austro-Hungarian navy was not satisfied with the operation; as the ships lacked cranes with which to lift the planes onto the decks, which were too small to accommodate the planes" - grammar
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Was she incorporated into the
Italian navy or just left in dock awaiting destruction (the infobox states decommissioned in 1926, which suggests that she was commissioned into the Italian navy)?
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But the article currently reads as if they were still at sea on 30 May when the destroyer was sunk. If they were back in harbour and it was seven days later, this is really a different event.--
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was launched in 1906, it seems misleading to call her a pre-dreadnought. The
Radetzky class article describes the class as semi-dreadnoughts. Perhaps describe her as a pre-dreadnought design.
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Why bombard Montenegro? Note: the Radetzky class article seems to suggest that this happened earlier, in October 1914, and that it was by Radetzy alone. Suggest you link directly to the
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a FAC due to the absense of a major source. THe prose has not changed much since the last FAC, so I think this should pass with a tad fewer comments. I look forward to your comments.
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I suggest that you put a bit in to indicate that the bombardment was in support of the Austro-Hungarian campaign against the Entente-supporting Montenegro and Serbia with a link to
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Spelling is American, primarily in "mobilization" and its variants. It may be worth noting this on the talk page to prevent future edit skirmishes. I see no inconsistency in usage.
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There was more than just gun turrets at Ancona. Several BB's bombarded barrackses, munition depots, and one even attacked the post office. I'll try and incorperate that into it
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where there are no signs of battleship postcards? Furthermore, what states this postcard to be a US published work; i.e. first published in US? Alexander Kircher is German,
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What type of seaplanes were used? If the ships had no cranes and the decks were too small, in what way were the seaplanes operated from the ships?
2578:- this is abrupt, as we know nothing about the seige at Scutari; a sentence on the topic would be helpful (e.g. who was besieging whom, and why).
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Not really. I'd have to learn Hungarian. I'm sorry if no one has gotten around, but both WS and I are busy with RL. This will take a few days.
644:"Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand bombarded the main coasal batteries in both Ancona and Montenegro" - repeats previous sentence, and "coastal"?
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Indeed, but many readers who only know about the western front will not be aware that a small Balkan state was a member of the Allies.--
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Addressed. There was not much damage done to Montenegro though. Sokol does not even mention any damage, just that it was bombarded.--
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The Name is used interchangeably. Since the Austrians named it Pola, most AH BB articles (and their sources) call it Pola as well.--
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Was the ship designed to be used with seaplanes? Why didn't they figure out beforehand that they would need a crane to lift them?
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That's just the name of the journey of these two German ships. It's also known as the "pursuit" of SMS Goeben and Breslau.--
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Just adding my signature here to verify that this is a joint nom between us. Feel free to contact me, Parsec of Buggie.--
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that suggest what you say is actually going on. In fact, looking through the archives, I think that it's the opposite!--
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Given the shortness of her operational career, I think the bits that are covered could be expanded. For example:
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Many ships in different classes did not have the name ship built first. The Tegetthoff-class is a good example.--
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I believe so. my sources name them in the feminine. Ships are the same way. Fixed those other issues as well.--
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Was the confinement to port only because of Admiral Haus's orders or was Pola also blockaded by allied navies?
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I'm not a guy who can tell British/American English apart from each other, so I'll ask someone else to do it.
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Identify that the original name is in German. Should the English translation also be italicised?
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Well, Montenegro was a member of the Allies, AH bombarded them many times, not just once.--
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That's just how the text ended up. Do you want me to add the name in there somewhere?--
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Thanks for the review. Tommorow is gonna be a busy day, so I'll leave it for Friday.
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What was the ship doing between the transfer to Italy and the scrapping in 1926?
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Was the action tactically or strategically valuable, given that a ship was lost?
876:"Caliber" and "Harbor", US English, and "Armour", British English, are all used.
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2440:) that have pictures; have you checked the copyright status of these images?
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I was referring to the bit about the Adriatic being blockaded (could link to
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to strengthen; re-deploy; are nations typically referred to in the feminine?
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Be consistent in how/whether states are abbreviated in publisher locations.
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Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool.
2330:"Annapolis, MD" versus "Westport, Conn" pick a US state abbreviation style
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Suggest you put it into the article that she was not used for anything.--
1519:) and the Tegetthoff class battleships having precedence for the coal. --
1948:"…and she was commissioned into the fleet on 5 June 1910." what fleet?
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Is "Armour" coded into the infobox? Other than that, this is fixed.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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no mention (aside from the infobox) of when the ship was laid down
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Perhaps. Sokol's book does not mention the ship at all either....--
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I'm assuming you mean the one about the loss of a destroyer? Done.
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http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/radetzky_class.htm#Erzherzog
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why was she launched before completion? Is this normal practice?
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Donnet-Leveques from the French manufacturer of the same name.--
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Be consistent in page formatting: for example, ref 12 vs ref 14
2629:- while who was attempting to avoid an aerial bombardment? The
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the Tegetthoff class—the only dreadnoughts built for the fleet—
2567:- reads a little oddly, should probably be "two sister-ships".
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Use a consistent date formatting in both article text and notes
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Austria-Hungary valuable time to strengthen her Italian border
2600:- should probably be linked, not everyone knows what they are.
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some of her troops from the Eastern and Balkan fronts." -: -->
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What damage was done in Ancona and on the coast of Montenegro?
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Post War - question asked at the first FAC but not addressed
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Where had the Italian ships been and where is "on the scene"?
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Were there combatant and/or non-combatant casualties on land?
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Serbian reinforcements from supporting the siege at Scutari
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The Austro-Hungarian Navy. Must I add that into the text?--
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with regard to the strategy of keeping the ships in port.
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chronology clear for those who are not familiar with the
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why is the name of the third sister ship not mentioned (
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Did the action prevent or discourage Italian operations?
782:"single mount casemates"? 'Casemated' is unusual usage.
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2606:- should probably be "its border", not "her border".
2484:, no indication that any reviewer spotchecked for
2752:The above discussion is preserved as an archive.
2259:That was an error on my part. I've fixed that.--
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2627:while attempting to avoid an aerial bombardment
2409:"The naval policy of Austra-Hungary, 1867-1918"
2278:"This delay gave Austria-Hungary valuable time
43:. No further edits should be made to this page.
2235:"the infrastructure of the port an Ancona" fix
2086:Done. The place is currently called "Tivat".--
2758:No further edits should be made to this page.
1843:Images are verifiably in the public domain.
1326:She sunk in Pola but her name is not known.--
1262:Were the coastal batteries put out of action?
29:The following is an archived discussion of a
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2306:"remainder of the war saw" does a war "see"?
1875:- Needs some polish. Specific suggestions:
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1769:What kind of seaplanes were used in 1912?
778:Three minor typo fixes done, please check.
379:Ill remove. I believe it's cited in Hore.
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1002:Indeed. In many cases, the ship that was
2723:Not that I know of. There is nothing on
452:Be consistent in using US vs UK English
2616:, I presume? This should be clarified.
1787:This is awkward and kind of redundant.
1242:Were any Italian ships sunk or damaged?
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2464:Perhaps. But is such a thing needed?--
1460:Suggest you put this in the article.--
1081:How long were they at sea in May 1915?
506:What is "complement" in this context?
1686:Was she renamed to something Italian?
431:- comments now adequately addressed.
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1858:I've removed the painting for now.--
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2175:Linked to Allies of World War I.--
1983:"and not as well armed" well-armed
1187:so what should I do to fix that?--
1156:section of the Montenegro article.
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1447:ships of the Tegetthoff class.--
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573:the "Erzherzog Franz Ferdinnand"
356:a reliable, high quality source?
2594:- no apostrophe in "its" there
2171:"members of the Entente" link?
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