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leaves one pondering why? is there more information available, was this a significant event? could this have been the death last
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in 1917. She was ultimately interned in Scapa Flow at the end of the war and scuttled by her crew. I feel this article is at or close to the standards for a
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Those all sound like good answers, but I'd think that's a fact at least one of your secondary sources should have asked and answered and you could cite. I recall these ships are valuable for modern salvaging because the steel is not contaminated by radioactivity & I'd be curious to know if this
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No idea for certain, but looking at the positioning of the ships that were successfully scuttled and not salvaged, they're all grouped on the right side of Cava. I'd wager the water is deeper there than in the channel between Cava and Hoy, which would make salvage much more difficult. I'd bet the
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Sorry for the late reply, but I added some info from a couple of other books (for whatever reason I couldn't see the whole preview of the book you linked) - how does that read now?
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The way this reads to me is 'She fired exactly 144 rounds, though the exact numbers are unknown', which I don't think is what you meant. I think you meant each gun/turret/battery?
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