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360:. The "Government", "Demographics", "Economy", "Culture", "Transport", and "Education" sections should give a historical background on their respective topics. Take the "Government" section for example: Has the town always been a part of that parliamentary constituency? Does Sheerness traditionally vote Labour, or is this new? What I want to say is that the way the town was in the past is just as important as the way it is now. The article should therefore mention whether things have always been like this. Also: 177:"In 1666, building commenced to replace it with a modern fort, however, this fort was destroyed a year later during ...". "Commenced" is rather too formal (reminds me of ballet school); try "started" or "began". So it started in 1666 and was destroyed a year later: when was it completed? Something stronger than a comma—such as a semicolon—is required before "however" (or change it to "but"). 119:
Demographics section is limited to 2001 stats and silent on any demographic shifts (eg. growth, aging, etc.) in history, since the last census, or since 2001. The Government section says it's within the Swale local government district but does not say what that means (give example of what Swale does for Sheerness). Is there no information on crime statistics (that's always interesting).
271:"After a Dutch attack in 1692, Samuel Pepys, the Secretary to the Admiralty, established a Royal Navy dockyard in the town, where warships were built and repaired until its closure in 1960." I've guessed some of the details. Now it's more precise and informative and better written, don't you agree? It contains details that our readers will want to know to get the picture. 192:"You need to assemble a small team of copy-editors first" - that is more difficult than it sounds. There are very few users who can copy-edit to your standard. "and have more pride in your products" - I had no idea there was anything wrong with the grammar. You can't expect each user to have as much grammar knowledge as you. 381:
The two paragraphs discussing the climate in Sheerness are written in the past. I think using the present would sound better. I realize that you're trying to take the fact that the numbers are all based on measurements in 70's, 80's, and 90's, but the climate generally does not change very much, so
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So I can't endorse this until the fine-tuning is done. I think it has the makings of a really good FA that we can be proud of, but significantly more work is required to achieve that. PS It's not just grammar, but a whole bunch of aspects of the language that will make it good. Do you know where to
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Comprehensiveness: The Geography paragraph is dominated with the town's location relative to other places, but does little to explain its geographic features or its layout, also, the History section alluded to the town's built environment but the Geography section falls silent on this. The
180:"The poor housing and water supply near the dockyard caused delays in its construction due to a lack of workers, and it took until 1708 for the first dry-dock to be built". Why not just "delayed its construction"? The causal connections are mangled: poor housing --: --> 370:"The dockyard closure led to thousands of job losses, and most of the nearby houses and shops in the Bluetown area eventually disappeared." I doubt the houses disappeared, maybe they were abandoned or they might even have been torn down, but they hardly disappeared. 155:—Poorly written. Is there some push to ram through England-related articles? There are so many, and most suffer from poor writing. You need to assemble a small team of copy-editors first, and have more pride in your products. Fed up. 236:"Reasonably" well written fails to satisfy Criterion 1a, so the previous reviewer's support is illogical. I can't see how the prose is yet "engaging, even brilliant, and of a professional standard" as required. Take the opening: 243:"Sheerness is a town on the Isle of Sheppey, in north Kent, England. It is in the northwest corner of the island, beside the mouth of the River Medway. It has a population of 12,000 and is the largest town on the island." 397:
I have added all you've suggested, except I don't think I'll be able to add anything to the education section and I think the history of the economy and transport have already been mentioned in the history section.
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I've been inactive for a few days and came back to see a request on my talk page for a copyedit; I could find absolutely nothing to correct. The article in itself is well written and presented very well.
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is, in, of, is in, of, is, on. Isle, island, island. "Medway" is unnecessarily repeated in the subsequent sentence. This repetitive wording is a bad start. Why the commas after "Sheppey" and "island"?
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Building, building, built, built, built, built. The person that edited this last time is pathetic and should get a life when i wanna do home work on where i live i get Rubbish come up on the page :@
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The 18th century is not covered in the article. Even if nothing interested happened in this period, it would probably be worth noting if the town grew during this period, for example.
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1708. See if you can make it nice and easy to read this chain of cause and effect. "to finish the first" would allow you to get rid of one of the "builts". See how easy it is?
261:"After a Dutch attack in the 17th century, Samuel Pepys established a Royal Navy dockyard there, and the building and repair of warships took place at the yard until 1960." 314:, myself included, have been working on this article. Reviewers who have objected to featured status due to 1a concerns may want to take another look at the article. 436: 40: 30: 17: 92:: Would it be an idea to mention that the town is unparished at all? It wouldn't be necessary, as I think it reads well as it is. 376:
The coast of the island has been designated a Site of Special Scientific Interest." Might be worth mentioning why.
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I am working on it. I agree that this article needs copy editing, but the criticism is unnecessarily snippy.
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Prose: The Demographics section has 4 one-sentence paragraphs and is dominated with lists of data.
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The article is comprehensive and of appropriate length for the topic, thoroughly referenced and
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Does "there" mean at the river or in Sheerness? Clumsy wording in the last clause. --: -->
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Your concerns have been addresseed. The article has been reviewed by six copy-editors.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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find copy-editors? Research the edit-history pages of related FAs.
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Thanks for your quick response and all the fixes. I can now
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Units switch between metric|imperial and imperial|metric. --
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what 1a means by "professional". You want a gold star, yes?
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Um after a quick look, I feel that it meets fa criteria ~
429:The above discussion is preserved as an archive. 437:Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured article candidates 41:Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured article candidates 439:. No further edits should be made to this page. 63:I believe this article passes the FA criteria. 43:. No further edits should be made to this page. 137:I think I've addressed your concerns. Thanks. 29:The following is an archived discussion of a 8: 18:Knowledge (XXG):Featured article candidates 159:Let's look at the first para in History. 7: 386:the way the climate is in Sheerness. 24: 76:A good read that is well cited.-- 182:delays in construction --: --> 1: 382:it's safe to say that this 31:featured article nomination 456: 168:"paint they used to paint" 416:23:05, 23 July 2007 (UTC) 403:22:10, 22 July 2007 (UTC) 393:18:11, 22 July 2007 (UTC) 350:13:54, 20 July 2007 (UTC) 337:23:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC) 321:07:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC) 310:: Several members of the 299:10:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC) 132:21:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC) 106:09:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC) 81:14:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC) 68:08:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC) 432:Please do not modify it. 287:15:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC) 230:20:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC) 206:19:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC) 197:17:06, 8 July 2007 (UTC) 188:11:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC) 142:23:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC) 36:Please do not modify it. 181:lack of workers --: --> 312:League of Copyeditors 52:15:54, 26 July 2007. 447: 434: 334: 318: 103: 98: 97: 48:The article was 38: 455: 454: 450: 449: 448: 446: 445: 444: 443: 430: 332:peaceful dreams 330: 316: 225:well-written. 101: 95: 94: 61: 34: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 453: 451: 442: 441: 425: 424: 423: 422: 421: 420: 419: 418: 378: 372: 367: 353: 352: 339: 323: 304: 303: 302: 301: 279: 278: 277: 276: 265: 264: 263: 262: 256: 255: 254: 253: 247: 246: 245: 244: 238: 237: 233: 232: 215: 214: 213: 212: 211: 210: 209: 208: 178: 175: 172: 169: 166: 157: 156: 149: 148: 147: 146: 145: 144: 123: 120: 109: 108: 83: 60: 55: 54: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 452: 440: 438: 433: 427: 426: 417: 414: 410: 406: 405: 404: 401: 396: 395: 394: 391: 387: 385: 379: 377: 373: 371: 368: 366: 363: 362: 361: 359: 355: 354: 351: 348: 343: 340: 338: 335: 333: 327: 324: 322: 319: 313: 309: 306: 305: 300: 297: 293: 292: 291: 290: 289: 288: 285: 274: 269: 268: 267: 266: 260: 259: 258: 257: 251: 250: 249: 248: 242: 241: 240: 239: 235: 234: 231: 228: 224: 220: 217: 216: 207: 204: 200: 199: 198: 195: 191: 190: 189: 186: 179: 176: 173: 170: 167: 164: 163: 162: 161: 160: 154: 151: 150: 143: 140: 136: 135: 134: 133: 130: 125: 124: 121: 117: 115: 114: 111: 110: 107: 104: 99: 91: 87: 84: 82: 79: 75: 72: 71: 70: 69: 66: 59: 56: 53: 51: 44: 42: 37: 32: 27: 26: 19: 431: 428: 408: 383: 380: 375: 369: 364: 357: 356: 341: 331: 325: 307: 280: 272: 222: 218: 158: 152: 126: 116: 112: 89: 85: 78:Analogue Kid 73: 62: 49: 47: 35: 28: 413:Carabinieri 411:this FAC.-- 390:Carabinieri 223:reasonably 96:DDStretch 227:Jehochman 203:Jehochman 58:Sheerness 50:promoted 409:support 400:Epbr123 384:is just 342:Support 326:Support 317:szyslak 308:Comment 296:Epbr123 219:Support 194:Epbr123 139:Epbr123 129:maclean 113:Oppose 90:Support 86:Comment 74:Support 65:Epbr123 358:Oppose 273:That's 153:Oppose 102:(talk) 16:< 284:Tony 185:Tony 88:and 347:SMC 388:-- 33:. 374:"

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Knowledge (XXG):Featured article candidates
featured article nomination
Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured article candidates
Sheerness
Epbr123
08:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
Analogue Kid
14:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 DDStretch 
(talk)
09:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
maclean
21:43, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Epbr123
23:50, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
Tony
11:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Epbr123
17:06, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Jehochman
19:33, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Jehochman
20:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
Tony
15:14, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Epbr123
10:16, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
League of Copyeditors
szyslak
07:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

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