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I see several problems with NPOV and comprehensiveness. Both the Canada Line and the
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Progress has been made, but the controversies and the issue of cost-effectiveness still need more coverage. I've suggested some sources on the Talk page. Considering the richness of the source material and the hundreds of millions of dollars involved, we need to go beyond simply stating that there
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Did projects meet expectations? There should be a discussion of forecasted versus actual ridership and forecasted versus actual costs. The purpose of SkyTrain is to give people access to their destinations, reduce traffic, and manage how the region grows in terms of land use. Has it succeeded?
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Projected costs of engineering projects are opinions, not facts, even if they come from the government ;) Attribtuting the opinion, e.g. "TransLink expects it to cost $ 970 million" is necessary. Even better would be to include other points of view about what the costs are likely to be.
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Yes, of course criticisms we include must have been previously published. The newspaper archives have lots of material on this. An article like this should be based as much as possible on independent news coverage and independent scholarly studies, rather than government publications.
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Why is "history" right in the middle of the article? To me, it would make a lot more sense straight after the lead, as it would provide background for the rest of the article. Is there a plan to your ordering?
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Given the length of the article, the lead is arguably a bit long, and delves into unnecessary details at times. Try trimming it to a crisp two paragraphs (maybe three) and try to make it more general.
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I can't just write down criticisms of the project without citing sources. maybe the people have complained, but if nothing's published, it would count as original research. NPOV requires that all
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In much better shape since last time. It is now the best article on the subject available on the internet. I know this because I spent alot of time looking for references. --
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That would be awesome. This could be a very valuable article; maybe other cities will learn from the
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Unless I've missed this, there seems to be a discussion of capital costs, but not operating costs. SkyTrain operating losses, and SkyTrain debt servicing costs, are huge.
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Handwaving: "Over the years, violence and drug abuse has been a major concern, but TransLink says the system is safe." This needs to be much more quantitative and explicit.
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I just remembered the blurb about the millennium line being called a "skytrain to nowhere" at the end of the history section. Perhaps I'll see what around on the web. —
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Very comprehensive. I'll support since the copyedit has been done.
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