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595:(my italics), that name should be supplied at the "work" parameter, and the publisher if any should go in the "publisher" parameter. This is illustrated in the examples, and results in the website name being italicised. Is the objection to italicisation something specific to FAC, of which I have little experience? Or are you saying that the output generated by the cite templates doesn't comply with the MOS? and if so, shouldn't someone mention it at the relevant talk page. Or have I just misunderstood something as usual :-) cheers, 385:
to Arsenal F.C.'s website states that "Firstly, as the VCC crest incorporated many separate elements introduced over a number of years, there was uncertainty surrounding its exact origination. Consequently, the Club was unable to copyright the crest." I've added this link to the image's description.
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The year-in-English-football "hidden" links, which readers will ignore, thinking they're plain year-links—I'm putting them in the "See also" section (unpiped), which is much more effective. Or ... see what I've done with the first one, which is now an explicit gateway to all of them. The rest could
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1c: The history section is noticeably light on references. A couple paragraphs are unreferenced, and a couple others have citations which don't appear to cover everything before them. Problems also exist with the references used; a couple sites used (Arseweb and Arsenal Shirts) appear to be fan or
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I'm a little concerned about the History section. One paragraph on the first 33 years, two paragraphs covering 34 years from 1945-1979. It's not really recentism (Chapman's era also gets close attention, with a paragraph on 5 years in the 30s), and it's not entirely without basis, focussing on
796:) in the history section. The blue season links remain in the Honours section, but have ensured they link to specific articles e.g. cup or shield finals; in this non-prose section, readers would expect year-links to be present and to go somewhere relevant. 639:
Sourced Wenger's long service and being first foreign manager. Removed best & worst manager by win percentage: it's an arbitrary choice of how to order managerial success, no idea how to briefly source it, and detailed figures are available at the
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and cite web: I will raise this at MOS, and you are the first to have noticed and pointed this out! The "Managers" section has problems; it has a citation needed tag, and we can't cite another Wiki article (Wiki is not a reliable source).
726:"Holloway, North London"—can we pipe so that "North London" isn't blue? If the reader hits "Holloway", they get a direct link to the broader geographical entity, don't they? Let's not dilute the valuable links at the top with "chain links". 421:
Are you kidding on the fourth point? There is nothing ambiguous about the description: the photo features a game (that is about to be played) at the Emirates Stadium, and the occasion is the testimonial match of Dennis Bergkamp.
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The third does in fact mention the copyright: "Arsenal have revamped their famous cannon crest as part of a major shake-up of the club's corporate image. The rebranding will give the Gunners a tighter grip on merchandising
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has a link to "Woolwich" in your face when you go there. The blue can thus be reduced in this article: try to direct readers more specifically and judiciously to link-targets, and they'll be more likely to hit on
746:"Arsenal have a large fanbase, who hold a string of long-standing rivalries with several other clubs"—hold a string of awards/prizes, I was expecting. Perhaps simpler, like this: "which has long-standing ...". 729:
Some of the pipes are a little vague: "Southern" ... ah, that means "South of England". Unless the boundary is important, why not bin the link and just write "first club in southern England"? Simpler for the
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The link to "British culture" seems far too vague. I can cope without the link, provided it's more specific further down (where more specific section- or daughter-article-links to Br cult could be provided).
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This is the oldest unreviewed sports FA, a fact which caused me to take a look at this article. What I found showed a few issues that, while not overwhelming, would be best resolved by the FAR process.
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Have given it a copyedit with emphasis on overlinking. In the prose sections, left in those season and cup-final links which seemed particularly relevant to Arsenal, and added (see
719:—I think this is quite well written. Could do with a few fixes throughout, but not a long job. I'd like to see this work on and kept, if possible. Overlinking is a major problem. 159:
Replaced 3 of the 4 dead links with 1 archive.org copy and 2 changed urls. I've left the 4th, nufc.com, which has an archive.org copy but is a fansite. I'll try to go through the
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One thing I was confused by, your edit summary which said websites shouldn't be italicised. This article uses the cite templates for formatting. The documentation at
743:"drastic"—readers are unprepared for that. "dramatic"? Since I don't know the geography of London suburbs, I can't make out why it's less extreme. A mystery to me. 689:
Just had another look at the article, and I'm quite happy with what has been done. I would have no objections if this was closed without moving to FARC.
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Update: have been through existing refs, tidying as best I can, and have replaced a few with more obviously reliable sources and added a few more.
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Do we still need to bold synonyms, other names, way down in the first section? I thought that practice was only for the lead. It looks messy.
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periods of success, but I do think it could be smoothed a little. Also, not sure the Emirates info is in the right place in the History. --
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I'm notoriously MOS-blind, but I'm giving the prose a further treatment, so that it feels really well looked-after during its time
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Fixed unformatted cite and MOSCAPS, also added missing publication dates and moved publishers to "publisher" parameter where needed
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Can't find a dead link. Unless you meant ref#35 "Suspension of the Plumstead Ground", which doesn't come from an online source.
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Alt text all now added apart from the image in the "colours" section - I can't figure out how to do that one....... --
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There is also one unsourced para each in Colours and Stadiums. Hopefully these can all be taken care of quickly.
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I left some more sample edits of items that should be reviewed, but I'm satisfied and probably won't revisit.
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refs in the next couple of days to fill in missing dates, authors etc, and will replace any fansites if I can.
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Been through again per sample edits. Also added couple of refs for unsourced bit of history section. cheers,
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Much better. Whatever the dead link was, I can't find it now, but it was when I clicked on a link from
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2c: Reference 2 is not formatted well. Not as important as the stuff above, but worth a mention.
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http://www.arsenal.com/usa/sh/news/news-archive/kroenke-increases-stake-in-arsenal-holdings
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This looks to be close to keeping without FARC, but there are dead links in the citations (
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be unlinked to control the blue disease. There are an awful lot of blue years cluttering.
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says where online items are part of a larger "work", such as a book, periodical
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in the citations, and the image captions need to have a punctuation review per
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as a Spurs supporter....I massaged the prose a bit and think it is okay now.
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Wenger image replaced with a new, sourcable one. Removed the other one --
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I've changed the description to read "... before Dennis Bergkamp's
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Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at
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What's happening with the two unsourced paras in history?
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For the image in the "colours" section, please use the
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as they had been unable to copyright their old badge
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Arsenal F.C.
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