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I missed this when it was nominated because I wasn't active at the time - in the last few weeks I've had a little more time for
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Ah sadly, just the usual – too much on the to-do list; not enough time on
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for your detailed review. I have asked WT:MOLBIO for additional volunteers to help. I will also work to update citations to the 5th edition (2004) of Lodish with the most recent editions of
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The above isn't an exhaustive list, just first impressions. But I think this article needs more than just a dusting-off to meet the modern FA criteria. The good news is that there's tons of literature on the nucleus and it's an interesting topic. I think if a few of us have a bit of time to put in,
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References - Could use an update. The most cited reference is the 5th edition (2004) of Harvey Lodish's
Molecular Cell Biology. I have a PDF of the 6th edition (2008) that I'm happy to share, but I can reach out my tentacles and see if anyone has the current version (a quick Google suggest we're
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Well-written - The prose is not engaging (and I love molecular biology!). It needs a serious copyedit. The fact that SandyGeorgia – regular editor of medicine articles – can't follow parts of the article suggests it could stand to be clarified. There are several places where factoids of varying
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Here I'll show my biases since I'm a unicellular-eukaryotes guy, but could we spare a few more words for multinucleated eukaryotic cells? It's pretty common across eukaryotes. For instance ciliates typically have a quiescent germ nucleus and an actively transcribed expression
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Nucleolus, and more. Also a huge amount of space is devoted to the 7 least important structures in the nucleus (the "Other nuclear bodies" subsection). I'm sure we can come up with a more concise way to describe these structures and their
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and BH and I still haven't gotten to most of this, I'm ok with the FARC moving along without us (of course, we can improve the article after de-listing; but FARC provides some nice motivation). Sorry to be the sticks in FARC's spokes!
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It seems we have a lot more on the structure of the nucleus than the function of the nucleus. I'm not sure if the balance should be corrected by having less structure information, or more function information. I'm guessing the
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if you're interested, we can post at WT:MOLBIO and see if anyone else is willing to help out? I'm a bit swamped in real life at the moment, but I can certainly put some time into this article over the next couple of weeks.
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Ok I think it'll be a while (months + ) before I can make time to work on this. I'm ok with this being delisted. If we can put together some time and interest in improving it later, we'll bring it back to FAC. Thank you
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