124:. That source linked for his coaching career beginning also states why his playing career ended. Additionally, there are some smaller sourcing problems sprinkled throughout - "As a junior, Clinkscales regressed statistically" is original research based on interpretation of stat lines, and referring to a couple specific single-game performances as "notable", but sourcing them only to stats-only box scores. The #2 editor in the authorship list has not been notified because their contributions solely consists of a massive IABot run.
1526:. Not our finest FA, but not an embarrassment either. As to the heavy amounts of stats - I haven't been able to find a whole lot that could be used instead, although I'm not familiar with basketball sources and where to find them. He didn't have a flashy career, and his style of play wasn't all that flashy either, so I imagine this is one of those subjects that is by nature going to be stats heavy.
556:- what are your thoughts here now? I've tagged a single failed verification in the 18-19 section, and have made a pass through the career section adding his seasonal gamelog to support a few instances of season-highs, as well removing some editorializing. From what I can see, what is really left here is fixing that one FV instance, updating the lead, fixing some ref formatting, determining if
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Clinkscales' potential. I think this is more in line with the adjacent statements that focus on his national recognition rather than his ability. With regard to the gap, I thought it was covered well enough by what was already written ("with no indication that he joined any other team since his tenure with the BayHawks"). I think that should be just about everything.
728:. High school student with plenty of high school coverage. While Clinkscales was from the media heavy Northeast, and only the NY Post reported on him? No local coverage? Not sure what to do here, and whether the article would be adequate if all of NYPost was deleted. Would a post at RSN be out of order? Or would the result just be obvious ...
687:, and has already opined, as did Nikkimaria and others. So, if we keep the content now, we are only keeping that which passed FAC. I'd still feel better if we had broader consensus, as it is odd that nothing else comes up, even with a newspaper.com search. Maybe if we beg and send flowers or chocolate or something,
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1551:, as sections contain one paragraph, and I would merge some of these sections together (and perhaps remove some overly detailed prose). After conducting some MOS fixes, my thoughts are this article, in its current form wouldn't be bad enough for me to bring it to FAR so I'm OK with closing this as keep.
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I tried searching and couldn't find anything useful for the gap, either. Newspapers.com has nothing for him during the time, and filtering Google results for 2011-2013 is just bringing up the
Juvenile Justice Information Exchange (which is apparently related to Kennesaw State University somehow) and
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Bio of a sportsperson that has been allowed to fall really out of date. As noted by the RealGM source cited in the article, Clinkscales was still active through the 2019-2020 season, and was even awarded third team all-NBL Canada honors in that last season. Yet there is basically no information for
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calls for consistency in whether digits or spelled out numbers are used within a list, but we have mixes going every which direction here. One style needs to be settled on and used consistently throughout. It is 7 starts and 12 assists, or seven starts and twelve assists, but not seven starts and
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Florida). My gut is that we shouldn't be using NYPost here, but I seriously cannot find any coverage here for that time period of his life. Even filtering Google search results
431:- Starting to give this a final review with the hopes of getting it polished up enough to be able to keep. I've been tagging some minor failed verification in the college career section, but it looks like something that should be easily fixable if a log of all his games in a season can be located.
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I dunno; having a hard time with that one. On the one hand, it's a BLP, and we should never use a marginal source for a BLP. On the other hand, the information sourced is not sensitive, and NYPost is considered less reliable for NY politics and police; this is sports. We should try to develop a
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I rewrote the lead to focus more on his NBL Canada career. Besides that, I changed the New York Post statement to say 'hyped as a "prodigy" by the New York Post' instead of 'labelled as a "prodigy" by the New York Post. That way the statement is more about the New York Post itself rather than a
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Ah, ha ... I was looking for more New Jersey coverage (because of the camp being in
Teaneck), but you are correct that he was a New Yorker (and Teaneck is just across the GW bridge from NY). Your argument makes sense. I still wish we could get others to opine on this before we close it.
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For his entire college career, Clinkscales had a limited impact as a scorer despite his passing ability, becoming the fifth freshman at DePaul to pass for 100 assists. While most of his statistics stagnated over the years, he led NCAA Division I in assist-to-turnover ratio as a senior.
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Clinkscales was relatively obscure.
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Clinkscales became the fifth freshman at DePaul to pass for 100 assists. During his college career, he had a limited impact as a scorer. While most of his statistics stagnated over his college years, he led NCAA Division I in assist-to-turnover ratio as a senior.
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is not flattering, and NYP was challenged in the 2016 FAC), and then finding something to ease the transition between the 09/10 and 13/14 seasons. He doesn't seem to have been in pro basketball, but there needs to be some sort of transition.
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I can't tell what this sentence means, and it seems out of place in the flow ? Clinkscales came off the bench to help the team extend their two-point lead with under eight minutes left in regulation to 12 points at the end of the game.
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I think it is much easier to read split-up. In practice, people might only want to read one specific year or one year at a time (potentially out of order), and those are both harder to do without the sub-sections.
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Canadian basketball, and I'm trying to find time to work through
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454:- This is looking much better and shouldn't take much to fix, but I do have a sourcing question. Is D-League Digest (cited in the article) considered a reliable source, or does it need to be removed?
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Is everything in the lead contained within the article? I couldn't find it all, but haven't gotten through the entire article. The stats are causing me to glaze over.
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429:Comment
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290:Delist
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141:I see
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