815:. I acknowledge that I am also biased for the same reasons, but since all the objections raised have been met and fixed, I see no reason why this should still be considered for delisting. In similar circumstances with an article which I had not helped write, I would say the same thing. Why would you delist an article if all the problems raised with it have been fixed?
1040:. Almost every source I reviewed indicated the name is the "Catlins". However, since you now have a new document that shows the name was formalized to "The Catlins" earlier this year, that means we're OK now, but the article was improperly named until February of this year. These are the sorts of things that should be checked at FAC and FAR.
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Some prose needs cleanup: eg. "shipping much of the resultant timber", run-on sentences like "The
Catlins take their name from the Catlins River, itself named for Captain Edward Cattlin (sometimes spelt Catlin), a whaler who purchased an extensive block of land along Catlins River on 15 February 1840
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I don't see a perfect place to cover him, but I've moved it to the
Geography section. I've added a relevant quote from one of his poems, but I'm not very familiar with his poetry; maybe someone else can find a better one. I don't really see the need to mention him in the lead, but don't feel strongly
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The article is lacking in sources in many places. It is also lacking in information on whether any hospitals or schools are accessible to the areas. The information about the politics needs to be more specific as the area is only a very small part of the electorate, and the overall restul of the area
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Structural issue: As pointed out in the FAR stage, the
History stops at about 1850. This is confusing. Some of the information in Population and demographics, and in Economy, should be moved there to give a better flow to the present. Either that, or move detail such as rabbiting into Economy, since
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Department of Conservation source repeats that date twice, and talks about migrations "from the North Island between 850AD and about 1650AD." Looking at their reference list, it seems some of the archeological detail they're reporting may date back to the mid 20th century or even
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Catlins". Or did you expect to see "The" capitalised? This
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I think it is sufficiently high quality and reliable for the statement it supports (namely that "the building and grounds now host a youth hostel and holiday park"). But this is not the most central point in the
Medical Services section, and I wouldn't object to its removal if anyone feels the
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Species name consistencies: In the lead alone we have Yellow-eyed penguin followed by New
Zealand fur seal. This continues in the article body; switching between sentences from kakariki to Hector's Dolphins. Needs formatting for one style or the other, ie. Yellow-eyed Penguin or yellow-eyed
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NZ poet. Following that sentence with a block quote from a
Tuwhare poem about the region, to emphasise how he wrote about the region and enhanced its significance in NZ culture, would be ideal. I would like it to be mentioned in the lead as well, but am not too concerned
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The politics section covers various levels of government, only one of which has a ward that corresponds closely to the
Catlins. But they are all covered, including the parliamentary electorate that includes the Catlins. I don't see a real problem
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735:: I've added a section on medical services, including nearby hospitals. I believe all the issues raised above have now been addressed, either here or in the article; please give specifics if you have any remaining concerns. --
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Wyndham and Balclutha are marked on the Catlins area map near the top of the article, and since the boundaries of The Catlins are imprecise any kilometre value would be as well.
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from Kāi Tahu chief Hone Tuhawaiki (also known as "Bloody Jack") for muskets and £30 (roughly NZ$ 3000 in 2005 dollars).", "The Catlins boasts a rugged, scenic coastline" (how does a coastline boast?)
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There are quite a few really short (1-2 sentences) paragraphs scattered throughout the article, which make it aesthetically choppy and harder to read. Could some of these be combined with others?
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Have the requirements for a FA changed, YellowMonkey? I ask, because this became a featured article with the lede exactly the length it is now. If it was fine then, why is it not fine now?
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990:. Every official government source I can find refers to it as the Catlins or Catlins: THE is not part of its proper name, sample
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1588:No further edits should be made to this page.
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