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there should be substantial coverage of the living standards the troops endured and how they were deployed (eg, the rotation of units in and out of the front line), changes in tactics, the impact on civilians, the massive logistical efforts, the post-war remediation of the ruined towns and farmland (which is still continuing, with farmers regularly finding unexplored ordinance) and how the campaign has been commemorated at remembered. There's a vast literature on all of these topics which can be drawn on. This would be a risky choice for an 11 November TFA given it's not really an example of Knowledge (XXG) at it's best - it's really Knowledge (XXG) at an adequate level at present.
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Somme 1916 is Anglocentric, the Nivelle Offensive began well with the British attack at Arras and the French part inflicted huge casualties on the Germans; although there was no French breakthrough, the 2nd Battle of the Aisne captured more ground than any earlier offensive. The French mutinies coincided with Joffre's plan that the British would conduct a summer offensive in Flanders while the French army had a rest, so the significance of the mutinies can be overstated. Revising the prose and adding citations to this article is only the start.
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The Schleffen Plan section is all wrong, the Entente was France, Russia and Britain, not every state at war with the Central Powers, there's a gap between the Marne and 1st Ypres, Verdun 1916 was an attrition attack to prepare the way for an attempt at a decisive battle, not a substitute for one, the
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Nick's points seem fair in hindsight (and are in stark contrast to the lack of intellectual rigor put into my own comment below). I still feel that its probably "good enough" that delisting would be too extreme, but can agree that there are other aspects of the topic that would need to be covered
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I've thought about this a bit, and agree with Keith. I don't think that criterion 1b is met as the article doesn't cover a range of key topics related to its subject. 1c is also not met as it does not provide a sufficiently through review of the literature on the topic. That said, the efforts by
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While I'm somewhat reluctant to support delisting at this stage, the article falls well short of modern FA standards - it's really a GA. For a modern FA, I'd expect to see thematic discussions of important aspects of this campaign, and not just a high level summary of the fighting. For instance,
416:(and whoever else is working on this), I can see some recent activity and am happy to keep open while it's being worked on. Agree it is a broad/important article that'd be good to keep featured if possible. I'll nag again in a fortnight. 459:
Looks OK now apart from the external links. The fourth one 'Information and multimedia' I get in in an eastern? alphabet. The last one goes to the publication details - presumably it is supposed to go to a page?
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G'day, I've tried to tidy it up a little, and added some refs where I could find things in my (sadly limited) home library. Unfortunately, there are still quite a few citation needed tags. These are my edits:
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G'day, Dudley, I have simply removed the Information and Multimedia link as I couldn't work out what had happened. I have converted the other link to a Further reading entry. Regards,
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Added Woogie's table and citations, changed most non sfn to sfn as there was a mixture of citations styles. Changed some citations from web and newspapers to books.
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The use of Mustard gas has it that it was fired in the first gas shells, rather than it was fired in gas shells for the first time on 10 July at Nieuport.
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I am nominating this featured article for review because it's been 11 years since its promotion, and it is currently tagged as needing citation.
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I think that the technical shortcomings have been resolved but the content leaves much to be desired. I'd fail it on B2. Regards
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The review isn't attracting much attention and the easy bits are done, I wonder if the review is going to get much further?
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I don't think that it's a bad article but perhaps needs a spring-clean to take in later accounts and analyses.
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I think we have the sources to fix referencing, and we'll get someone else to deal with prose.
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G'day, I think I've rectified the remaining "citation needed" tags now. These are my edits:
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I probably can't help much more, sorry. Please feel free to adjust as desired. Regards,
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Issues raised in the review section include comprehensiveness, prose, and referencing.
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were this article to go through an FA review today. (TLDR = I am impaled on fence).
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Are you satisfied with the changes made, or are there remaining issues to address?
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Most of the battle sections are too big now that so many more have decent articles.
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Ha! I missed that. Why are the footnotes and references mixed together?
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The prose is too bitty in places with paragraphs of inconsistent length.
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Some of the pics, maps, etc could do with moving to avoid cluttering.
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Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at
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multiple editors to improve the article have been impressive.
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thank you. We are indeed trying to find proper sourcing
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about the casualties statistics citations and references.
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I note that it lacks a 'Prelude' to put this in context.
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Knowledge (XXG):Featured article review
featured article review
Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured article review
Casliber
FACBot
talk

Western Front (World War I)
WikiProject Military history
WP:URFA
DrKay
talk
20:34, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Operation Strandfest
Keith-264
talk
20:55, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
Cinderella157
talk
11:01, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
Keith-264
talk
15:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
User talk:Woogie10w
Keith-264
talk
09:26, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
Keith-264
talk
13:34, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

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