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if i'm not mistaken, some clubs - as BARCELONA - have articles with "X" or "Y" season, which contains info on both domestic and
European play. Moreover, in the team article proper, storyline on both can also be found. Hence, i think this one is unnecessary, with all due respect. I oppose. Attentively
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My idea would be to create a section named "Competitions", under which all the sections about Barça's participations in
European cups would be moved, and place the notes on the tables plus flag legend as an intro text just before the cup sections. This way those explanatory notes/legends would still
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I had a look at refs 59 through 61 which you use to reference the overall record, and I can't see how you got the data you use in the table, most specifically the goals for and against, but also in wins (one of those references is a 2009 page, the other includes this season, so neither tally up with
289:. As such Inter-Cities Fairs Cup wins doesn't count toward the tally of Europa League wins, though it is recognized as the forerunner. This list tallies the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup together with the Europa League tournament." emphasis added. I don't see how it could be any clearer.
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from the RSSSF ref "Since the beginning of the eighties the Cup was sponsored by Toyota and played in one leg in Tokyo (Tokyo
National Stadium or Kokuritsu Kyogijou, from 1980 to 2001)". The FIFA venues are harder to locate on the FIFA page, so have added RSSSF refs.
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How does the
Intercontinental Cup/FIFA World Club Cup fit into an article about Barcelona's participation in European competitions? OK, at least the Intercontinental Cup was endorsed/co-organized by UEFA, but such thing is not true for the FIFA World Club Cup.
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competitions, so an article title defining that better could be a solution that included all these records. I'm not saying that this should be done now nor that this should be the prototype for that change, but it's something to think about.
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To be fair, I think that RSSSF page is free to copy verbatim, but it really is a bad idea to get into that habit, particularly when it's incredibly simple to rephrase it to avoid any of this discussion. As such I've added "possible" above.
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Oh no trust me, it is very hard to make the FOOTY project decide on anything and just unilaterally moving stuff without discussion is not considered polite (even though noone wants to discuss it). I dont want anymore drama on that front.
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You have a single general source (a book), but there's only one specific ref taken from it (ref 7). If this is the only info taken from that source, you might as well cite it wholy in the specific refs rather than as a general source.
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Yeah sorry I sometime fail to make myself clear. it is easy to find the specific season in the RSSSF reference given, that is why it is the only one used. I could perhaps list it under general references instead, would that be better?
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863:"Brief quotations of copyrighted text may be used to illustrate a point, establish context, or attribute a point of view or idea." This is indeed brief and hard to re-word. But independent query has been made at media questions.
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I don't see how the fact that UEFA organised it made it a
European competition. To keep consistency with other "Club in Europe" article this has the same title format; the FCWC/intercontinental cup is the exception to the rule.
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Ref 35 appears to repeat Mike
Morrison a couple of times, not sure why? And the last two refs appear to have the same author, but in differnet formats... And is there a reason why the source for Murray has him as Bill Murray
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You removed the context. Why did you feel the need to "illuminate" when I gave the full sentences, but for framing it as a accusation. Anyone could tell whether or not it was a copyvio by the information already given.
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You have just copied sentences of prose. This can easily be phrased another way to avoid copyvio. I have detected other instances of this throughout the article. I will need to check your other work as a result.
815:"In their first competition they were eliminated by Hamburg SV in the first round. In 1969, their second participation, they advanced to the final, but were beaten by Czechoslovakian side, Slovan Bratislava." ditto.
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Okay, that's fair enough. In lieu of recent events (Reg. Dharious or something), I'm a bit defensive regarding copyvio allegations, hence the media question instead of immediate re-word. I've re-phrased it now.
251:—There is a huge mistake in this page that Inter Cities Fairs Cup is UEFA Cup, That's truly wrong. You should fix that by omitting the un-official (Inter Cities Fairs Cup) or making another list for it.
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Why did you clog up the question I filed with duplicate information just to frame it more to your liking? I added both instances in full, which is the honest thing to do. But have fun investigating.
1124:: Where are the individual rounds referenced? I looked at reference 29 for instance, where I can see the score of the final referenced, but not the preceding rounds, which are referenced
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No what I mean is that the ICFC/UC refs are easy to navigate, a general ref for CL is not. I'm not sure providing separate refs are really necessary, it's easy to verify if you want to.
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With three supports and MoS issue fixed the Gamper looks a closed deal. Incorporating the legend into this oddball of various competitions, it has been through two PRs and one FLC.
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I also can't see where the specific venues for the
Intercontinental Cup / FIFA Club World Cup section are referenced, I can find Tokyo, but no mention of the National Stadium...
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1796:. But this to say that I think that—if we can—we should provide direct links to sources and not make the reader have to cruise through them to find what they're looking for.
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Just to clarify: Is that a content fork concern? I must say that none of the information here is anywhere else; several of the FC Barcelona season articles does not exist.
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All done, thanks for spotting it. Regarding slashes, I do believe they are more intuitive than dashes (one might think the competitions were simultaneous). According to
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I do believe the lede is the best place to have it, if it were in the first table it might easily be missed. This way it's clear that this concerns the whole article
704:"he first international cup they took part in was the Pyrenees Cup, which lasted from ..." I bet the first cup didn't last four years, perhaps the competition did.
1140:... Also, in that particular instance, you call it "Round of 16" while UEFA call it "First knockout round"... Ref 35 (63/64 CWC) doesn't even mention Barcelona...
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372:, slashes are okay if "a different construction would be inaccurate, unfamiliar, or ambiguous". I do believe slashes works better than dashes here.
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Another mistake : Pyrenees Cup is not international/European competition, correct that. It was regional competition like nowadays friendly cups.--
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526:" In 1992 Johan Cruyff's Dream Team led the side" Cruyff's dream team led the side? Really? Wasn't it Cruyff's Dream Team that won the final?
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I guess that would suffice. I just think that if you provided specific refs for each season of the EC/UCL and ECWC (from UEFA.com) you should
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That's it: it doesn't. But at least UEFA was somehow involved in that cup which could be an argument to keep those records. These are all
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There's a table to the right where you can click "preliminary round" "first round" etc. Is it not clear enough how to navigate the page?
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That they lost on coin toss etc. is reffed in the table reference. I think that is easier to verify than re-list all of the refs again.
1014:"established themselves as one of the strongest sides in European competitions, when measured in UEFA coefficients" is this referenced?
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In the refs provided for the UC it is very easy to navigate to the specific season. But that is not the case for the other references.
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I don't think that last paragraph about the tables should be in the lead. Could you find a better fitting place?
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yeah I did think about it and asked the WP:FOOTY project for some input, but nobody really cared that much...
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Not sure you need the years in the headings. Instead, include that information in the prose for each section.
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I was illuminating the fact that you copy-and-pasted a complete sentence of prose. No "clogging". Cheers.
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Only noticed this now: refs 3 and 49 are one and the same. Check if you don't have more duplicates.
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Not at all convinced about a separate "Finals" table which repeats a lot of what's already happened.
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They were previously all used. I have removed the two which currently doesnt reference anything.
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You have copy-and-pasted text from RSSSF for reference 63, word-for-word. This is very worrying.
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728:"Barcelona did not participate in any international competitions." is this referenced?
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William J Murray, and this is repeated in the refs? And what does ref 13 refer to?
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concern the whole article as you say. Anyway, my suggestion, not an imposition.
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In my opinion, such articles are a "bit too much", and i explain why i think so:
207:(which doesn't seem like a particularly useful link anyway); no dead externals.
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Who's clogging now? It would be much easier if you just reworded the prose.
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Spanish. Delinked neutral as it doesn't exist(!).
763:"Barcelona was among the first participants in European football" prove it.
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This is just the lead. I'll come back, if requested, to the rest of this.
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823:"before the cup was absorbed " no no no, it wasn't "absorbed"... Rephrase.
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Ref 45 doesn't have the expanded version of UEFA like all other UEFA refs.
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OK, I just think that it looks extraneous in an already not-so-big lead.
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Shouldn't the 2010–11 season be included if this list is to be complete?
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Maybe that's a sign that they wouldn't bother if you did it yourself ;)
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Taken care of unless noted, final table is gone. Thanks for the review!
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It used to be there but it's too big and messes with the next section.
771:" the matches are given in the Finals table below." doesn't exist now.
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UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: Decapitalization needed in "in the First round."
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I've expanded slightly. Anything in particular that needs mentioning?
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PR preferred longer intros in subsequent sections versus a long lead.
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Be consistent with hyphenation in Inter-Cities Fairs Cup throughout.
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Well it's not ideal, considering these are "specific" references...
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
438:*The lead is inadequate, far too short for a "list" of this size.
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Normally ongoing seasons are not included for stability reasons.
520:"after being champions in the 1958–59 season." champions of what?
494:"and the old Inter-Cities Fairs Cup " as opposed to the new one?
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998:"round" in Latin Cup table should be "Round" (it's a heading).
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All notes which claim scores, results etc should be referenced.
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Because it's the total row and should always be at the bottom.
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Oh i see mate. In that case, and being the club that it is, i
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I've added a note above the specific references. Better?
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Thanks for the thorough review TRM. Always appreciated.
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Overall record table - the total row shouldn't sort.
659:- very weak grammar and internal inconsistencies...
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Comma needed after "which lasted from 1910 to 1914".
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The reference only list the city where it was held.
712:"winning four out of five competitions. " who did?
523:"part from becoming runners-up " very poor English.
790:I think that's a little excessive but ref included
1959:The above discussion is preserved as an archive.
1230:gives Goals for and against up to December 2009.
503:"these games"? You've only mentioned one so far.
787:"with Barcelona's arch-rivals Real Madrid" POV.
739:"two times as champions " why not just "twice"?
515:recognized is USEng, is that what you want here?
542:If you do keep it, consider making it sortable.
536:"Fairs Cup wins doesn't count toward" - do not.
287:but it is not recognized as an UEFA competition
253:This source (which is one of page's references)
43:. No further edits should be made to this page.
1965:No further edits should be made to this page.
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29:The following is an archived discussion of a
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1824:Sorry but I'm not sure I'm following you...
1238:gives the # of games, updated continuously.
795:"Johan Cruyff's Dream Team " direct ref for
663:"semi-final" or semifinal" or "Semi-Final"?
1234:gives Goals from August 2009 to July 2010.
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818:could you be a bit more specific here?
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457:Well I think the lead is too short.
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1022:Why "Second Stage" in capitals?
1039:Notes A to C are unreferenced.
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500:Link "friendly" appropriately.
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36:Please do not modify it.
31:featured list nomination
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779:what does "City" mean?
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565:How does one do that?
397:– Meets FL standards.
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