Knowledge (XXG):Featured list candidates/Failed log/April 2014

250:(XXG) page is not a great measure, as a type of toothpaste may be notable enough to receive a page, just nobody has written it yet. Although it's good to add brands with pages on other international Wiki projects (as they're apparently notable enough in those regions), using the existence or non-existence of a brand just because it has a page is an issue. There might be an extremely important Lithuanian toothpaste, but not necessarily a Knowledge (XXG) page about it on the Lithuanian language Wiki. -- 151:, list is very English speaking-centric and does not include many brands I'm personally familiar with in New Zealand and Japan (Macleans, Pearl Drops, Steradent, White Glo, Red Seal, Paradontax in New Zealand, and Clinica, Xylident, Sunstar's G.U.M. and other toothpaste brands, Kao's Pyuora toothpaste, etc in Japan). I assume many Korean, African, Chinese South American and other brands have been left off as well. If the list isn't meant to be exhaustive, maybe you could break it down into 802:"Rickey Henderson holds the MLB career stolen base record with 1,406, and is the only player in MLB history with more than 1,000 stolen bases." - a few repetitive phrases.. MLB and stolen bases are repeated twice and if that could be avoided, it would read a little nicer. Perhaps, "Rickey Henderson holds the MLB career stolen base record with 1,406, and is the only player in the league's history with more than 1,000." 1254:, I'm not comfortable with making this an FL yet. I'm sure a SB leader list is notable, just not convinced it's 300 SBs. Tangible improvements can be made in the lead of the article. The text is cited with sources that do not even discuss players with 300 SBs. I'd be more convinced this grouping was notable and meets 741:. The only things that may be of concern is a) the recent content dispute (now resolved through consensus) and b) the statistics may change during the season, but only for the few players on this list who are active and for this type of list, it does not majorly affect the status of the list (see for example 3416:"In 2001, Aguilera was featured on the music clip for "Lady Marmalade" with Mýa, Lil' Kim and Pink, garnering two MTV Video Music Awards at the 2001 ceremony, Video of the Year and Best Video from a Film." - it's not apparent that the two parts of this sentence are related. Try 'garnering'→'which received'. 2725:

between the boundaries of the same between 2001 and 1992. If there was a boundary change between 2012 and 2001, the figure in the current "Change" column may not actually reflect true change within current boundaries. This risk would be compounded if there were different city boundaries for all three years.

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Also, it's usually best to have the statistics updated through the previous season. And at the end of this season, the numbers could be updated again. So I think it'd be best if you removed the "2014 SBs" - it's best to not have information on the page that needs to be updated daily. It's like how we

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The alt text on the images (not including the lead image) should be more descriptive. Instead of repeating the image caption in a shorter version, it should describe what the reader would see in the image. So instead of "Person X doing Y" it should say something along the lines of "Person X wearing a

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My biggest issue with the list is that all four columns are right next to each other. I believe this is a good way to save space, but I think having the entire list in one long column would look better and be less confusing. Though I'd be interest to know if this has already been discussed... and if

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All of it. Read it and find out. Let's start with an easy one, "Don't start with "This is a list of"... It isn't engaging writing and it's been discouraged for months now." And no, red links are allowed, as are unlinked items. Finally, there are dozens of brands I can buy on Amazon today, why are

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This is why statistics agencies (US Census Bureau, Statistics Canada, etc.) often only compare current census' counts with the most recent census' counts in its tables, adjusting the counts of the latter where intercensal boundary adjustments have occurred to reflect true changes. This is why most

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Number 3 has been fixed. Number 2, well is complicated. Then you have to question other featured lists like 100 triples. Why not 250 or 300? Arguments could be made in too many directions about that. With number 1, not all FL's have that and it would certainly be a lot of work (it's why individual

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If a source is readily available to add a 1992 census population column, I suggest resisting the temptation of including a "Change" column that directly compares the 1992 and 2012 populations. The boundaries of cities between 2012 and 2001 may be different, while there may be further differences

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I am making progress; slowly, but I am. RL has kept me busy, but I am making improvements. I can go find more secondary sources, but a lot of sources/leaderboards (primary and secondary) use 300 stolen bases as a board, so saying it's arbitrary is debatable. And with sources, again, I'll go find

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Just a note, the brackets are correct and are convention that actually contain information. They mean that the person(s) that originally described the species placed it in a different taxonomic group. It would be odd to have to explain that in the thousands upon thousands of species pages, genus

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The list makes no point of defining why a toothpaste would make the list, and why it wouldn't. Obviously there would be ones that shouldn't make the list (e.g. a small company that sells 500 tubes in a year), but there should be some sort of parameter defining the list. Purely having a Knowledge

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particulars (largest, highest increase, the summary of those with negative population growth, the comparison of the county's increase with the increases of the cities) and then close with the two sentences regarding departments (capitals being largest and those with the most and least cities).

567:, basically agree with everything ChrisTheDude said, none of which has been rectified in the almost two weeks since his comment. The lead and referencing are the two biggest issues, in my mind, and typos in the headers simply show that care was not taken to buff the article to meet FL criteria 2261:

The lead has been beefed up. Its flow is a little all over the place however. I suggest beginning with the definition of a city, followed by the total amount of cities in the country, the amount at 10,000 or greater, the total population of the 53 compared with the country and then all the

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Pictures are much better now, but I'm not sure that graph is very meaningful. In fact, giving a city of 10,000 the same weight as a city of 1,000,000 is misleading. I would remove it in favour of a map, which is pretty necessary for a page like this and would convey the same information.

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Also, if you're going to have the table sortable, the names in the table will all have to be put into a sortname template: For example {{sortname|First|Last}} and if the name of their article is something other than simply their first and last name, do {{sortname|First|Last|Article

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The list presents full ichthyofauna of the North Sea. The list includes illustrartions, indicate the conservation status of species by IUCN's criteria, also classified fishes by their origin. It might be very useful for specialists, also for all persons who interest on fish fauna.

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The special characters for department capitals and largest cities in departments are sufficient. The pink shading is redundant for the latter and detracts from the city of La Paz, which is only subject to the former unlike the other department capitals that are subject to both.

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is not the strongest of arguments. I would expect the cutoff in any stats listing to be notable, especially for an FL, and enough significant coverage in sources about that cutoff to use directly to write a paragraph or a few sentences about the group. For No. 1, there is

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I have to disagree. For someone like me who has a small screen for my computer, placing the images on the side of the tables makes the images go very far down the page, extending past the references. It looks much cleaner IMO either in the table or as a gallery as it was

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where counts from the last four censuses are presented, with various notes associated with certain counts from 1996, 2001 and 2006. No change columns are presented as some entries have one, two or three intercensal boundary adjustments within the 20-year

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One final thing. If El Palmar KM 23 had an adjusted 2001 population of 16,572 per the note, reflecting the combined population of the 19 consolidated cities, there is no harm placing this figure in the table in place of the current "0" figure.

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bringing it to FLC. Overall, I don't think it would take more than a couple hours of work to buff up the article (assuming that all of the relevant fish species are indeed listed and listed properly), but that work is obviously not being done.

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a few issues remain from my comments and I do share some of the concerns from the comments below. I also have concerns over a featured list being one that is updated daily as statistics from 2014 are added throughout the season.

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What is the status of this nomination? The 1992 census was not added as promised about one month ago. Why are you creating articles consisting of one sentence and a small table? Could you not merge it to this list? Regards.

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Embedding the photos within the table creates excessive blank space within each row. I'd rather see them outside the table to the right, and I don't think we need photos for every city either. Perhaps just the ten largest.

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toothpaste brands that have Knowledge (XXG) articles. Entries can be added that are verified but without Knowledge (XXG) articles. However, adding new entries that are not verified would likely violate point #3 of

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Thanks for adding the alt parameters. However, they aren't populated. Please add useful alternative text so that the content and function of the images can be understood by text-only readers.

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The image caption "Ty Cobb steals third base during a game on July 23, 1910." - this is a very awkward sentence.. perhaps change "steals" to "stealing" and remove the period at the end

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Can the article state how many total cities there are in Bolivia? It would be helpful to know how many there are and what percentage of them have a population of 10,000 or greater.

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Some of these comments are suggestions, and if you feel the suggested change isn't necessary or beneficial, feel free to skip past it but please just let me know why. :)

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Regardless of if this change is made, the players names should be in a highlighted cell. The change would be made by changing "| Rickey Henderson" to "! Rickey Henderson"

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You still haven't gotten to the two comments above? I crossed out everything you did do, and there are still things not done. The table caption... scope cols and rows..

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There is info on the 2012 and 2001 census. The only other census in which the data on cities is public is the 1992 census. I can add this to the article, if you want.—

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not, what other editors think about it. In English, we tend to leave from top to bottom and left to right. So my eyes went straight from #1 to #41 to #81 and so on.

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Flow is much better now. Good job. Only thing I think would make it a better read is to consider rewording the three passive voice "there are/were" sentences.

807:"Juan Pierre is the current active leader with 614 stolen bases. Pierre is also the only currently active player to have more than 500 stolen bases." --: --> 2403:

Would prefer the photographs to be right justified along the side of the table to remove some of the white space. Ideally in the order of the list itself.

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When I hover the cursor over the map in the lead, the description makes no sense. It reads "List of Bolivian cities by population is located in Bolivia".

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Are these communities "incorporated" as cities or are they cities in the colloquial sense that may actually incorporated as different municipal statuses?

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For the members of the hall of fame, perhaps you could add a color in addition to the symbol, to make it stand out and not blend in with the other text.*

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Are areas of each city available? If so, can areas be added as another column? If so, another column to calculate density would also be informative.

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I am nominating this for featured list because I have worked really hard to expand the article to this status. It meets all criteria described in

808:"Juan Pierre is the current active leader with 614 stolen bases; he is also the only currently active player to have more than 500 stolen bases." 2953:, then I re-created it as a separate list. I am nominating this for featured list because I believe that this list meets the criteria for a FL. 2739:

Does this help to understand how the pursuit of comprehensiveness to avoid a perception of recentism can result in unintended factual errors?

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I have created an article on the 1992 census. Also, information relating to city population is readily available, if you want I can add it.—

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The values in the Change column are too precise. Round them to a tenth rather than the hundredth. Same applies to instances in the lead.

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Lead is effectively two sentences and essentially provides no context, check out some existing FLs for the kind of lead which is expected

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The lead notes players in the dead-ball era had more stolen bases, but the list doesn't show the years a player was active, like in

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Just thought I'd pipe in that all the recent successful list of municipality FLCs have had only the two most recent census counts.

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I am nominating this for featured list because I believe it complies with the FL criteria. I modeled the article after another FL (

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Should add some type of note that "Genio Atrapado" is Spanish version of "Genie in a Bottle" (same with the other translations).

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More images would help. And to go off of Bagumba's comment about the bolded names... you didn't get to the scope cols and rows.

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I am attempting to make a map, however a few cities near the same area, which causes an overlap. Is there any advice for that?

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Is there an article about the departments of Bolivia? If so, wikilink "departments" in the lead and "Department" in the table.

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I will address your comments within a week. Honestly I am currently extremely busy with my homework so please bear with me —

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OK, I found a few additional external sources and what not that again re-emphasizes its notability. Another example is the

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Please reread the lead for flow. It is quite awkward and certainly doesn't meet the "professional standards" required by

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This one is going to need some work. It is light on prose in my opinion, particularly in comparison to the modelled

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The sorting of the video albums table is not appropriate. For example, I can't properly sort the US peak positions.

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I see some instances of inconsistent use of Prometheus Global Media or Nielsen Business Media as the publisher for

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for a list of basic checks you need to make. And presumably this list isn't exhaustive, for instance I cannot see

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Although if having a Knowledge (XXG) page is what your definition of the list is, when I check the Japanese wiki

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Also, it would be nice just as a sidenote, if someone were to create at the very least a nice sourced stub for

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refs may have helped) to add all of the years, etc. Other than that, this FLC should be FL material, I think.

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Fishbase link (seemingly being used as a source, although it's not specified what it is sourcing) doesn't work

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The Code column is not encyclopedic and is not meaningful to the reader. It is only meaningful to the INE.

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In sortable tables, people should be listed so that when sorted, they will be sorted by surname (using

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La Guardia is not Bolivia's largest city as the lead asserts, inadvertently albeit. This needs fixing.

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I'd also recommend organizing the references in columns of three instead of two as they currently are.

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pages, family pages, list of species pages, list of genera pages... etc. I do agree the other issues.

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and we shouldn't exhibit that as a model for featured quality pages -- especially when looking at

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Wikilink "2012 Census" in the table as well, and "2001 Census" if there is an article available.

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unnecessarily bolds the name of each player, even though it says only active players are in bold.

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In the # column, instead of having blank cells when multiple players share a spot, add rowspans.

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You also missed one more comment, about the table captions. I crossed out everything completed.

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Does Aguilera have an IMDb profile? Is that worth including under the "External links" section?

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If the images are moved outside the table as suggested below, they should also have captions.

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It appears you've revisited this. Your top five cities multiple image treatment looks great.

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I started with 1,000, but I got to around 300 cities, and I felt that amount was too large.

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Not explained why some values in the "taxa authority" column are in brackets and others not

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Why is the threshold 10,000? How many cities are there in Bolivia with less than 10,000?

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Better. I'd suggest adding a bit more to be descriptive for each. e.g. "City skyline of

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Separate the inline citations from the Notes section into their own References section.

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Thank you, Hwy43. I appreciate everything you have done to help improve this article.—

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now has a precision parameter. I'll be using this template now in my future efforts.

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generally don't add players stats to their biographies until the end of the season.

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Can you make the "Video albums" section sortable by title like the other sections?

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It would be helpful to know what the requirements are to incorporate as a city.

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The caption in the lead image doesn't need a period, as it isn't a full sentence

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they not notable? I see you've linked one item to the German Knowledge (XXG) (

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The template makes it so it only goes to the hundredth. So I can't change it.

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I am nominating this for featured list because the article passes the various

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There is now a sentence in the lead explaining what is classified as a city.—

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For No. 2, We are not reviewing the 100 triples article here. In any event,

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Well given this is your nomination, what better time to learn how? Check out

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Could you do that? You seem to know how to do it, whereas I do not know how.

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At the top of the page, add template: {{Use dmy dates|date=February 2014}}

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As it is a sortable table, each director, album, etc. need to be linked.

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It really isn't clear what is actually referencing anything in the table

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Is there a reference available to support the content within the note?

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I have no idea how to fix this. I will look into the template and see.—

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baseball uniform standing in the outfield looking towards centerfield."

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I don't love the lead, but I'm gonna focus my comments on the tables.

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Wikilinked 2012. Will make an article for the 2001 and link it then.—

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