1495:←After further discussion of the sources, I agree Zobbel shouldn't be used (since it includes disks which are ineligible to chart) and I will side with you on ChartStats, as its reliability is still in question. I have removed references to the above two with the exception of two citations, which I am leaving in for just now purely for flagging. I am currently waiting on an answers to a further question which i have asked RS, so I ask again that this is put on hold until I am given an answer. --
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but WAX says that doesn't matter. The reason MOS:DISCOG includes this caveat is because songs tend to be used all over the place (commercials, tv shows, trailers, "Best of the Year" comps, etc). If we say one type of re-release is worth noting (in this case a CD compilation), then the others must follow. It is a very slippery slope, so it's far simpler and more focused (and this goes for the discog as a whole) to keep it to
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including by yourself on a number of occasions. I know your retort would be to say that these were a long time ago, but a number were fairly recent, including Bowie. Surely your work still acted on the guidelines of MOS:DISCOG, regardless of whether or not the guideline itself was written? And surely it is not black and white what is in the MOS or not, considering it itself is still only a
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I've scoured the internet for some mention of this and its not really spoke about much past "Radio single" in US and UK. Considering what this means isn't perfectly defined, I'm going to remove it from the singles section but leave it in the music videos section, as it is sourced that it has a video
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Direction should definitely stay, as should the first two, since these compilations were the first time they were released, correct? If you feel this is worth a larger discussion at MOS:DISCOG I'd he happy to participate, but I think the examples you've given are in the minority, not the majority.
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It's not the section that I have a problem with; you're absolutely right, most discogs do contain some sort of "Other appearances" type of section. Where this section differs from many is that this one includes previously-released material. You're right, the
Nirvana and Bloc Party do include them,
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Discographies should only include previously unreleased material. It appears that many of the track listed in compilations were released previously (on the albums), so I'd recommend taking those out. There's no need to list every compilation/commercial/movie trailer a song of their's has shown up
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Okay, I'll back down on this if it means that the article looks better as a whole. A lot of the foundations of this article were based on what was written on Bloc Party's, which is probably the reason I included it here. I think we should probably sort some of the FL's out though, as they were all
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article in the FL-class discography category contains this section with different wording. AIC, Death Cab, and Bloc Party are just a few of the examples, while David Bowie seems to have an extensive list on his page. Reading through each FL review, it is never mentioned that this is an issue,
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I understand where you are coming from, but I am not simply saying ignorantly that this section should exist in this article purely because other articles have it. That is exactly what WAX talks about. I am trying to say that i think the reason that it should be kept in this article, and in
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As well as this, I think we could act on what has been finalised in this review, as i previously mentioned I based most of the table on what was written in Bloc Party's discography - meaning a lot of the data is the section there should probably be removed too. If we comb the articles in
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Well a music video is surely just a promotional video for a single or even a piece of music (the latter applying to No I in
Threesome, I think we've discovered), and on that basis I don't think that what the work can be is restricted in any way. On top of this, its listed on Muzu,
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It is not that I think your comments are invalid, I was just puzzled by them. As you will see below, an agreement has been reached regarding the section which you have an issue with. If you are in favour of this agreement, would it be possible for you to reconsider your opinion?
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Yes, as a style guideline that focuses on record charts, it is the most appropriate guideline when it comes to record charts related questions of style. However, reliability of sources is a question of content, which is handled by content guidelines, specifically by
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Again, just because another FL has it, doesn't mean it's right. Also, the
Nirvana discog was promoted a very long time ago, way before we had MOS:DISCOG, at least. Standards have improved dramatically since then. So I believe there still hasn't really been a
544:←Its quite good to hear you say that, considering I was going to mention something about the releases pre-dating the EP in my next comment. I will downsize the table to include these three songs. Should the releases be mentioned in the article's lead?
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I realised it would be unneccessary to include every time any song was included on some sort of compilation, so included songs which were not stand-alone singles, but which were included in third-party formats. A similar style is used in Bloc Party's
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It would be more useful to the candidacy review as a whole if you could explain your point more in future. If you mean an explanation. the sentence simply means that "This is a list of songs which the band have not released as singles (see
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1020:"The EP sold out, despite being the band's first release in Europe and the United Kingdom" - I think you've already told us it was the first release. Perhaps look at merging this sentence with the previous one.
551:- or possibly all articles included in the project - we could swiftly remove unnecessary information and bring the project to a better status as a whole. The topic could be discussed outside of this review, on
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Well the ref shows all the albums by interpol which have charted in France, as well as EPs (as i think EPs are treated like albums over there). Only the three albums and one EP have charted. Is this okay?
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If I am wrong, I am more than happy to admit that and will remove the table (it probably wouldn't be the first time!) So, may i propose that before the conclusion of this debate, a discussion is opened at
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It was explained above that the video is a live performance which was used as a promotional video. The sentence is in italics to show it is not a director, what formatting do you think is a better idea?
1585:- I don't understand why you've added the {{nl icon}} template like its French template counterpart, when the |language= field is much better suited for the {{cite web}} template. #47 is in Caps also.
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I'm not sure I understand the reasoning for your opposition considering you believe the comments above to be resolved, and that the below comments are not to do with "What should not be included".
306:). Those songs have already been released, so their inclusion in another table is redundant, as it's basically a recycling of old material. And the fact that they've been re-released by a
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Sorry, this was a straight copy from another FL, I didn't think any more to remove it than to include it. I've removed all copies of {{* icon}} and replaced them with the language field. --
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Done - "Interlude" was released as a bonus track to the above album in Japan and Mexico only, yes, but prior to this it had not been available in the UK. I've added a note to clarify that.
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in my opinion only means that they've less of a place in a discography, not more, since we're concerned with releases from the band, not by releases they have no control over..
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This still bugs me. The see blow link isn't work for me.... But also, I don't think the argument that "the Bloc party discog did it, and it's FL" is much of an argument (see
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Done - I've made the widths consistent for eps/albums/singles, should i be doing the same for music videos/other appearances (which have slightly different column headings)?
1653:", which is why it was written this way. Do you object? The pages with capitals is a similar typing situation, in both, the articles themselves are titled in capitals. --
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I am nominating this for featured list because I feel it meets the standards of other featured lists, as well as the criteria neccessary to be featured. So here goes.
1629:- Ref #6 "2002--04-26". #2, 5 and 7, the Internal link is listed as Allmusic but the reference title is listed in lower case which one is it? #39, 47 is in Caps.
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let in to the club with this section whereas it has to be removed here. As a comprimise, I propose leaving "Direction", as this was not previously released? --
1458:. Even if source reliability was within the guideline's competence (which it isn't), would the sources it deems reliable have to meet the requirements of
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PS, If you feel like bringing up the Other appearances thing at WP:DISCOG, let me know and I'd be happy to contribute to the conversation.
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Whoops, forgot about that. I had put in a lev3 header but it was removed because of FLC rules. It was linking to the bit below about
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I see you've already found this. No idea how, considering I hunted in all corners of the world for this, so well done. --
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Not sure if the recording for
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Would prefer to know what NYU is before you abbreviate it.
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What would be more suited for you to give your support? --
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I've been told here that ChartStats / everyHit fall under
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