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I'm disappointed (but not too surprised) that you have nominated this again already. I wonder whether you have actually read and understood "all the criteria to become
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You've made some changes, but not everything that I noted was fixed. Right away, I noticed there are still rows spanning multiple columns that cause sorting issues and you did not remove source 1 even though its reliability is unclear (in other words, not acceptable for a FL). Also, the new source 5
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If you sort on the "winners" column, and then sort on "season" so that they go back into date order, the row saying "Internazionale won 2–1 on aggregate." for 1981-82 appears below the results of the two matches, but the row saying "2–2 on aggregate: Roma won 4–2 on penalties after extra time." for
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Just to confirm, if sources genuinely aren't available for the crowds at the finals where this info is currently missing then I will strike any objection on that basis, and the other issues seem reasonably easily fixable. But it just seems implausible to me that crowd figures for the final of the
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In regard to whether the page is ready for FL: There are still changes that were suggested weeks ago that have not been addressed. For example, I mentioned issues regarding rows spanning multiple columns and the issues they create for sorting; this has not been fixed yet. Please reread everyone's
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I think he's talking about the recent finals, which are more significant and should have sources for their attendances. In other words, there may not be sources for attendance for finals from the 1930s (though I would still encourage you to look for it), but there should definitely be sources for
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That's actually my fault- the nomination was at the wrong spot (no /archive2) and then I moved it with a double-'Knowledge (XXG):'. Now fixed, this is the only nomination. At this point I think we've finally sorted out the procedural issues, so I'm going to collapse these comments so it can start
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in the list. You may not be able to find a single reliable source listing all of the information in the table for every tournament; in that case, find source for individual matches. Is it more work? Absolutely – but FLs aren't easy to do properly; they require a lot of time and research to be
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the original FL nomination header on the talk page. This is a problem, as there is now no record of the first nomination on the talk page. I would urge you to immediately withdraw this nomination, and please listen to the advice people are giving and read the FLC guidelines thoroughly before
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Yes, as long as the original website is accessible through some online archiving service. Readers have to be able to access the resource somehow; if there is no remaining record of the website, it will not work. The websites still have to pass all standards for reliability as well (i.e. no
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Until the 1980s, the smaller teams hoped to be eliminated from the cup as soon as possible to focus only on the championship. This indicates the lack of importance that the tournament had. Here is the cause as to why there is not much data on spectators in stadiums
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of the changes suggested by ChrisTheDude, you need to address the concerns raised by
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Don't use rows that span multiple columns, as in 1937–38, 1940–41, and so on. This causes accessibility and sorting issues. If you need to explain something, put it in an existing box or in a footnote. (The exception is 1926–27, since there was no
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I'm not familiar with calcio.com, which appears to be the
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I'm not a fan of writing the team names twice in years with two legs in the finals. At a quick glance, it gives the wrong impression that the team won two years in a row. I would suggest merging the team names in those years to span both
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I think this nomination should probably be withdrawn for the time being. While the formatting has seen significant improvements, there are still issues with sourcing, and given the nominator's apparent struggle to find sources (see
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I apologize. I made an error in good faith. I got confused in something. I didn't understood what I had to do. Please leave comments about this page. Are you for or against about the nomination of the page for FL?
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I nominate it for the featured list because in my opinion it meets all the criteria to become
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I find it hard to believe that so many attendances are unknown, especially for finals as recent as the late 1980s (data about the numbers of spectators for each final from the 1980s to today are present) --
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Thank you very much. I would like know if the page will be suitable for FL when I will find the data about attendance and when I'll make the adjustment which you've advised?
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Nominating a list right after reworking it isn't that bad if no one else is editing it, but yeah, the nomination itself wasn't done right or put in the right spot. The PR is
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If you sort on any other column and then re-sort by year, some of the rows saying "XXX won on aggregate" appear above the individual legs and some below (what do you mean?)
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add copyrighted images to an article without a detailed explanation of why the image is necessary and why there are no alternatives available, which you have not done here.
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Which source do you mean? The only ref currently against the table is the
Almanacco Illustrato del Calcio, which looks OK but doesn't cover the last 16 years..... --
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Hi. I made some edits. Is the page ready for FL, or it need of more edits? Unfortunatley I did not find the ISBN of the book I've cited.
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