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Done the first part; I cannot find sources to back up the second part though I have my guesses (technically OR). My guess is that it has to do with the comparative production capabilities of shipyards; the
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Japanese builders. This is similar to what was done with the
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Imperial Japanese Navy. This article passed a
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In the lead it is written "The first phase of the Eight-Eight plan began in 1910 ...". In the first section: "The four ships were authorized in 1911 as part ..." . There seems to be a contradiction in dates.
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Not sure including the projected commissioning dates in the table is working or not. I'm used to just seeing "-" in those columns for uncommissioned ships, but that might just be me.
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None that are as detailed. IMHO the line drawings provide a better perspective on the class. If people want to see more photos they can (and will) go to the class article.
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Better yet - for consistency - I've removed it altogether; none of the other tables reference the types of boilers used (and that's purely for ease of reading, since the
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The names themselves aren't consistent. Every other ship had a defined name – the best I could do here was give a yard number and notate that there were no actual names.
511:"the Japanese Empire immediately turned her focus" I'm not sure of policy here, but I would suggest an encyclopedia would refer to the Empire as "its" rather than "her".
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I've been asked in one of my FLC to wikilink "long ton", so I'll ask you to do the same. There is a switch in the convert template, but I forgot what it is exactly.
1404:, etc." with regards to BC design standards - and why the difference, with Japan being so influenced by the RN (and the first BC being actually built in Britian)?
1626:"Yard Number" for B-65 #796 - "number" should either be lowercase here, or capitalised in #795 (suspect the latter would be preferable, actually, as it's the
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they were never laid down or ordered (which is typically when they actually name them). They were still in the design phase when they were cancelled.
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Any chance you can vertically centralise text in those rowspan rows? Looks a little odd to have that info right at the top of each table.
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You're consistent, although I find center alignment for these sorts of tables far easier on the eyes. But that's just me.
1419:"Most advanced capital ships of their time" - was it only because of their armament that they are considered to be such?
1612:"the ships were never built" - were they officially cancelled at any point, or did they just "sit idle on the books"?
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I've always done it as a "notes" section, then "footnotes" and "citations" subsections. I'll check MoS though.
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The way I've found produces the best-looking results (IMHO, of course! ;) ) is to format it like this:
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Is there a link for "battlecruiser" you can use in the early part of the lead?
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Found it: "|lk=on/in/out" will link "all/input/output" units respectively.
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There is a mention of the B-65s, see the last sentence, second paragraph.
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Mostly aircraft carriers and cruisers (more useful and versatile). Added.
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which appears to be related to the topic, but is not what is meant here.
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and is a bit vague, why not replace it with "more useful and versatile"?
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I think I know what you want me to do, but I am unsure of how to do it.
437:. Continued inactivity will result in the nomination being withdrawn.
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class was known. Is there any way this can be made clearer in the lede?
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Limited number of ships, tonnage and armament + armor of ships. Added.
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That's what I use as well, minus the refbegin and refend, of course.--
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Probably doable, but I'll let Ed know; I'm not the tables expert.
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Thanks. One more thing, "more important" might give issues with
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Went back to my sources; it's 1910. Clarified for consistency.
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I'll look into how to do this within the conversion template.
1547:"Yansen Butai" should use the lang-ja template, shouldn't it?
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Gun size + arrangement, speed, combination of factors. Added.
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Giants' comment does not appear to have been addressed yet.
1360:" in the lede - shouldn't this be in parentheses? i.e. "The
531:"in any eventual conflict " any reason for "eventual" here?
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Note 2 is unreferenced. Probably not a big issue (as it's
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In the lede, the B-65s are described as a response to the
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Well, if we want to stay consistent with other lists like
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Any reason the two B-65 are not named consistently?
792:Well written article, just a couple of questions.
1945:The above discussion is preserved as an archive.
1386:Russian Baltic Fleet - should this be wikilinked?
668:For the Japanese translations, are you using the
571:"was begun in 1910" why not just "began in 1910"?
1447:Might want to mention in the lede that a second
863:Could you please wikilink "Malaya" (but not to
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1144:Same table, why do you italicize "not named"?
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968:Can you add some examples ("...such as...").
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1152:Good question. Not sure. Fixed.
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1348:Comments:
633:full stop
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