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After taking a long, hard look at the layout, I have to admit that splitting the location into two columns seems like a great idea. We can then move the ref to the table header as proposed and convert each list to a sortable one. Not only will this add clarity, but having the ability to sort by park
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Since we are more likely to make references to the phrase "world record" as opposed to "world ranking" in the articles, I do not oppose the change. However, at the same time, it seems like a wash. Both terms seem to fit well. In addition, the current prose in the lead section already uses a form of
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But does it make for good prose? You could easily replace "This list of roller coaster rankings summarizes..." with "Roller coasters are ranked by height..." to avoid the self-ref and improve the language. Also, I feel the bold-text draws the eyes abruptly to the middle of the paragraph, instead of
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Sorry, I'm not really following. The note is more about the record than anything else, and it does affect Mean Streak in the way that its record was taken away by The
Rattler in March 1992. To me, it makes sense to place it there. However, if that spot really bothers you, it can alternatively be
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I recommended splitting because readers might be interested in sorting by country. On that note, I think you should make the tables sortable, which is possible by deleting that ref column and moving the ref somewhere else (the "Tallest steel roller coasters" header? One of table headers like
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The only three options are to remove sorting (obviously), remove the rowspan parameter from all entries in the Rank column, or remove the rowspan parameter from all entries in the Ref column. Personally, I'd go the third option, but it doesn't really matter much to me.
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Besides having the opinion polls raises a number of questions: why only mention these particular polls? Were they conducted scientifically? Do the polls reflect a worldwide view or a US-only one? When the rest of the article is about "all-time" rankings (for eg,
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There is a lot of great information in this list. However, I went through table by table and found that the majority would not allow me to sort by column as suggested by the up/down arrows. Sometimes the reference numbers in the far left column would move.
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A side-by-side table format where the ref column is actually it's own table may be the ultimate workaround, but so far I haven't been able to get it to look right (though I know it's possible). For now, taking out rowspan in the Ref column gets my vote.
1653:: First off, apologies for the long delay in revisiting. I'm glad that the list has improved since FLC. That said, I'm afraid I can't support because of the presence of the Poll rankings section. There are two reasons for my opposition to the section:
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Don't think the Poll rankings section is appropriate for this article. The rest of it is based on objective stuff—heights, angles—but here we have subjective opinion polls. Further, the fact that you only list the latest ranking seems to be
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I altered the display of the convert formula because that is what I had seen in other tables (not necessarily those in FLs). In tables I personally think the "or" display looks better. In saying that I don't really mind if it is removed.
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Nearly ever rollercoaster in this list has its own article; there, as you say, you would deal with the subject comprehensively—include both subjective objective info. On the other hand, a list of items has to have a defined scope (see
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I think listing "Park, city, state, country" under
Location makes the tables far too wordy. I recommend listing the Park and the Country in separate columns. Further information about location can be obtained by going to the park
719:"This is a list..." has been added and removed several times since I've worked on this article. Someone will come along and not like it then someone else says it should be there. We should probably decide and keep it that way.--
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Longest wooden roller coaster drops: Number 10 isn't sorting properly. There are sort templates that fix such numbering issues. This is also an issue for
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I don't think I really like that idea. I think the tables should just stay current, with notes about gaps in the years. If you include defunct roller coasters, the lists could get very long in some areas.--
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I agree they are small and easily missed but I don't know if that's the best place for them. I understand what you're saying but it doesn't seem right to have a note about The
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If the tables continue to wrap even after removing state & city, I suggest moving the pics from the right and putting in galleries of four/five in the middle of page, in between successive tables.
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Why didn't you or Giants give it a support? I resolved your comments so what else is there? I'd hate to nominate this a third time, especially when not one user has opposed it in both nominations.--
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The lead says that the list shows the record holders - but apparently it only shows the still-standing record holders? What is the point of the list? The record holders - or the current standings?
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this nomination appears to have stalled. Suggest the nominator contacts relevant projects or editors who may be interested in reviewing this for FLC, or else we should archive the nomination.
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The current format of the notes are small and easily missed (as evidenced by
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We could potentially put these cases in the tables and just have another colour similar to the way coasters under construction are handled. The rank column could then have *** or something.
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the records. It kinda seems to be an unnecessary change.--
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