785:"Before 1847, the area now occupied by the town of Widnes consisted of the hamlets of Farnworth, Cronton, Appleton and Upton, a few scattered houses, and areas of mostly marshy farmland." Because the listed items have internal commas, use semicolons (also address the serial comma issue I highlighted): "Before 1847, the area now occupied by the town of Widnes consisted of the hamlets of Farnworth, Cronton, Appleton and Upton; a few scattered houses; and areas of mostly marshy farmland."
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This sewer ventilation shaft is built in red brick with a blue brick plinth. It is approximately 30 feet (9 m) high and 4 feet (1 m) square internally. The vent has a projecting cap with a corbel support. It is the only remaining shaft of an early sewage system designed to take effluent from the
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Only other issue I can see is inconsistency in the usage of the serial comma; for example "Also built before 1847 are three houses, a bridewell adjacent to St Luke's Church, and the lock at the terminus of the Sankey Canal" but "consisted of the hamlets of
Farnworth, Cronton, Appleton and
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dab page. Clicking on the link provides the information that an article about it was deleted in 2006. I am not surprised about this; the park is not particularly notable (I cannot, for example, find that it is listed) and the same applies to its history. Best left as it is, I think.
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It is, but I'm afraid that I agree. US copyright law (which governs
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Does this matter? More than 4 decimal places seem unnecessary for larger buildings like churches. I've tried reducing the coordinates for the sewer vent and the war memorial to 4 places, but these are not quite accurate enough. Is it OK to leave them as they are?
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Red brick with blue brick plinth standing approximately thirty feet high and four feet square internally.... The vent has a weathered projecting cap with corbel support. The only remaining shaft of an early sewage system designed to take effluent from the chemical
606:, it might be an idea to obscure the registration plates of the three cars that are in full view. I can read them when I look at the full-size image, and blanking them out is generally advised these days because of the increased "popularity" of car cloning.
704:"Of the 21 listed buildings in the town, five are classified by English Heritage as Grade II*, and 16 as Grade II;" When you list comparable quantities such as these, write them out in the same way; that is, 21, 5, and 16; or twenty-one, five, and sixteen.
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They look OK to me, but I have asked MRG to return and take a look. One final seperate comment from me would be possible inconsistent capitalisation, for example some churchs are capitalised while others not, is there a reason for this?
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I am nominating this as a featured list candidate because it is a complete list of all the listed buildings in the town of Widnes. The text has been copyedited. It has not had a peer review because its format is similar to the FLs
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I am concerned about the similarities in some of the description details and the accompanying references. I'm not sure if this is a valid concern so have asked
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I'm not particularly knowledgeable about copyright issues and should certainly welcome an expert's advice. It's a bit difficult when you're giving a brief architectural description to do it in alternative wording, etc.
1154:- I'm now going to be incredibly rude and say the list doesn't match the sources enough. There's a few minor differences between the English Heritage site and the date column, which may need fixing. On the source...
1060:", copies that of the source, with only two words tacked on to the beginning. Rewriting this kind of thing is a pain, but, unfortunately, we don't have much choice unless we use limited amounts in accordance with
136:, other than that the "Refs" column has been omitted, the citations having been added to the "Description" column. The title has been recently changed by deleting "List of" in line with the consensus reached
196:"Before 1847, the area now occupied by the town of Widnes consisted of the hamlets of Farnworth, Cronton, Appleton and Upton, and a few scattered houses, separated by farmland much of which was marshy."
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I have re-written most of the descriptions in a way that I hope now avoids any copyright violations. Are they now OK? Do I need to alert
Moonriddengirl to this, or will she be watching this page?
1191:- Not rude at all! In two cases I had given completion dates rather then ranges - amended; two were typos - corrected; I had given the pulpit date the same as the church - now amended per ref.
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Are Foster and Cowan pamphlets or similar publications, rather than books? I'd be tempted to put them in Harvnb templates even if they are pamphlets, but this is only personal preference really.
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862:"sandstone ashlar pulpit" Three consecutive links that look like one big link; surely at least one of these (if not two) can go? I lean toward removing the links to sandstone and pulpit.
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Thanks for the trouble you have both taken over this matter. I've learnt a lot.
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