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decoration without any real accuracy - the vestments depicted would not be correct for the actual period that the person was bishop. Historical writing has gotten away from using non-contemporary depictions for medieval and ancient subjects because it gives the wrong impression. The work was painted 1000 years AFTER the bishop lived. There is no way it can be considered historically accurate and not making that clear to the readers is being misleading.
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that it's not contemporary. When this FPC was started ... the bishop's article did not have that. I'm hoping that all future such uses will have the proper context given - that's my point. Or better yet, don't place a non-contemporary image into a medieval or ancient history biography article just for decorative purposes.
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from that article - as it's not at all useful. We'd be better off running a cartoon image ... that way readers wouldn't assume that the depiction is accurate, which they probably do now given there is no disclaimer. I see it was added just on 7 April 2015. I was tempted to remove it, but instead put in a caption.
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I'm not objecting to it's use in the article on the painter or in an article on the town or church. But using it on the article about the bishop turns it into history, not art history. It really does not belong in the bishop's article, but at the very least it should have a good caption that explains
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Yes, I get annoyed when folks use non-contemporary images for medieval (or earlier) subjects - especially (as in this case) when it's not made clear that it is not at all contemporary. There is no caption in the biography article - which is misleading the readers. Quite honestly, it should be removed
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You're not getting the point ... it's not about whether or not it is supposed to depict the subject of the article. It is that it was placed in the article with no caption pointing out that it is not at all likeness of the individual. Without that context, it's misleading. And it's just a pretty
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Gaudiosus. Were this image being used to illustrate an article about Renaissance views of
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