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166: 526:, but if fixed, count this as a comment—Description page problems: No links for the artists or publisher in the summary. I see we have an article at least on the first-named. Why not put more of the info from the original site in the description page summary? The performance and recording are good for the day. -- 537:. I posted in Talk:FSC that you should just list the description pages that need work there when you see them from now on, I'm good at fixing those. I would certainly hope though that if you believe the performances themselves are up to standard, you'd remove the opposes when the file descriptions are fixed. 595:
Sven, we went through this at FAC about four years ago ... reviewers were sometimes told to fix things themselves and not complain. Fortunately, it was made clear that reviewers review. I do believe it's up to nominators to fix the SDP. The exception to reviewer collaboration might be if a reviewer
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Indeed, on the FAC as well, it is considered bad etiquette to leave suggestions and not come back to re-consider once the critique has been addressed. Your suggestions were valid, of course, and prompted me to seek out the composer to find more information and for Sven to surf Jamendo to clean out
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That's all well and good except for two things. First, most people don't really know how to do a good FDP, and second, I would hope that if a reviewer's only reason for opposing something is that the FDP is bad, that that reviewer will at the very least strike the oppose when the FDP is fixed. I
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don't know about FAC, but I know that at GAN the reviewer will list things that need fixing, then give it time for them to be fixed. If everything is fixed, the reviewer passes it, "well it started off wrong so it'll fail even though what was wrong was fixed." If there's anything that
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Google results find that all major sources (Major League Baseball's site, for example) completely ignore the singer of the first recording. Some Youtube videos cite Meeker as the first, but that's hardly reliable. So I will remove that tidbit for now.
208:- on page 68, it says the Haydn Quartet was first. They were September 8, 1908 - same month as this - so this was very early, but, at least according to the only reliable source we have, not first. We can still say "One of the first". 697:
Not untrue. But this discussion is drifting into irrelevance. Let's fix the FDP first; I don't care who does it (heck, I'll do it myself if someone will tell me how). And then we'll all hopefully listen to some Haydn and calm down.
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If you're going to oppose things solely on the basis of description pages, there are two options that I would steer you to for the future. 1) Fix the issues yourself, or 2) Make the request for me to fix it at
266:: Surprisingly good recording for the year. Even if it's not the earliest, it's still very early, and that's an advantage, as it puts it in the original context better. It'll need cited if it's to be used on 625:
You have the right to say "Oppose: FDS is wrong, go fix it." I have the right, even if I'm not the nominator, to fix it myself. I would hope that once I do so, you would reconsider the oppose vote.
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I tried mixing them like you suggested, the problem still persists. We could always revert it, the noise in the previous version gave it an air of authenticity, but it is a little distracting. --
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Unfortunately, it creates a lot of these quiet mechanical sounds. I can't support the noise-removed version. Try mixing the noise-removed version with the original at about 20-50% volume.
379:, is a horribly disorganised mess. For example, let's say you wanted to know the year it was written and the composer of the music. See how long it takes you to find them 817: 87:
Very obvious historical significance, at least from an American standpoint. Best quality possible from a recording from that time period, ripped from a
508:- Thanks for the info digging Adam and Haha. Looks like we've got some good knowledge of this recording now and I'm happy to support a great find. 17: 48: 679:"it is considered bad etiquette to leave suggestions and not come back to re-consider once the critique has been addressed"—a bit strong. 201:
seems to say that Meeker was the first. It doesn't explicitly say so so it probably isn't compatible with Knowledge (XXG)'s guidelines.
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I'd say revert it, and upload the edit as a different file. It's a bad idea to change the file being voted on this late anyway.
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No worries. I've worked with cylinders a lot, and this is a particularly good one, but we want it properly documented. =)
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is skilled at cleaning up files, just as they help out at featured pics occasionally. But it's only if they want to.
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Is this really a 78RPM gramophone, though? I thought Edison Records were all phonograph cylinders.
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the description table. If you still don't like it, it would be nice to know what needs fixing. --
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These sources obviously cannot be trusted. :P Thanks for pointing that out, I will change it. --
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Problems have been fixed, at least to my satisfaction. Unless there are more concerns? --
437:: I did a little noise removal on this file and found that the result was rather nice. -- 372: 300:
That's what the source of the file says. Actually, I traced the file all the way back to
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http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/142343188X/themusicbuffsweb#reader_142343188X
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waltz song which became the unofficial anthem of baseball. This version was sung by
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The only concern is waiting out the clock for the seven day minimum for time ;D
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A great period recording, and an interesting find, especially given its source.
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N.B. I've done a little work dstributing it to articles. In addition to
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looks like it MIGHT say Meeker was first, but the key page is missing.
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I got that piece of info from its related Knowledge (XXG) article,
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in September 1908, and is one of the first recordings of the song.
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easily fixable during the course of a nomination, its an FDS.
182:... no copy of this book at my local library chain either. -- 303:, which calls it a "78 RPMs & Cylinder Recordings". -- 566:
I did some linking and expansion of the description.
371:N.B. Made some tweaks to get it ready for use on 204:Use the "Search Inside" function for Meeker on 8: 818:Knowledge (XXG) featured sound nominations 18:Knowledge (XXG):Featured sound candidates 7: 323:Edison_Records#Edison_disc_records 24: 120:of the file seems a little iffy. 325:. It's a phonograph cylinder =) 321:released cylinders before 1912. 45: 535:User talk:Sven Manguard/Sandbox 41:– Take Me Out to the Ball Game 1: 801:00:56, 25 February 2011 (UTC) 762:07:00, 24 February 2011 (UTC) 721:00:45, 24 February 2011 (UTC) 707:15:54, 23 February 2011 (UTC) 693:07:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC) 665:03:31, 23 February 2011 (UTC) 650:03:23, 23 February 2011 (UTC) 610:09:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC) 591:06:16, 20 February 2011 (UTC) 562:04:31, 20 February 2011 (UTC) 517:07:14, 19 February 2011 (UTC) 493:07:50, 20 February 2011 (UTC) 479:03:59, 20 February 2011 (UTC) 470:19:52, 19 February 2011 (UTC) 456:14:30, 19 February 2011 (UTC) 447:02:02, 19 February 2011 (UTC) 430:20:11, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 405:14:30, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 388:05:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 365:04:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 355:04:55, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 330:04:53, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 313:04:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 296:04:47, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 259:04:42, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 244:04:40, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 213:05:43, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 192:05:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 178:Haha, well a classic case of 174:05:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 162:04:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 147:04:42, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 129:04:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 112:04:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC) 411:Take Me Out to the Ball Game 135:Take Me Out to the Ball Game 58:Take Me Out to the Ball Game 28:Take Me Out to the Ball Game 774:Promoted MeekerBallGame.ogg 834: 291:says it was a cylinder. 413:, it now appears in: 798: 759: 647: 588: 559: 419:Albert Von Tilzer 237:Albert Von Tilzer 66:Albert Von Tilzer 51: 825: 797: 792: 789: 758: 753: 750: 703: 690: 685: 646: 641: 638: 607: 602: 587: 582: 579: 558: 553: 550: 513: 125: 53: 52: 833: 832: 828: 827: 826: 824: 823: 822: 808: 807: 793: 786: 782: 778: 754: 747: 743: 739: 701: 688: 681: 642: 635: 631: 627: 605: 598: 583: 576: 572: 568: 554: 547: 543: 539: 511: 381:in that article 317:Edison Records 123: 85: 84: 83: 82: 81: 54: 46: 43: 31: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 831: 829: 821: 820: 810: 809: 805: 784: 780: 771: 770: 769: 768: 767: 766: 765: 764: 745: 741: 728: 727: 726: 725: 724: 723: 677: 676: 675: 674: 673: 672: 671: 670: 669: 668: 667: 633: 629: 620: 574: 570: 545: 541: 519: 503: 502: 501: 500: 499: 498: 497: 496: 495: 432: 407: 397:Major Bloodnok 390: 368: 367: 343: 342: 341: 340: 339: 338: 337: 336: 335: 334: 333: 332: 278: 277: 276: 275: 274: 273: 272: 271: 235:The composer, 226: 225: 224: 223: 222: 221: 220: 219: 218: 217: 216: 215: 149: 114: 78:Edison Records 55: 44: 36: 35: 34: 33: 32: 30: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 830: 819: 816: 815: 813: 806: 803: 802: 799: 796: 790: 788: 775: 763: 760: 757: 751: 749: 736: 735: 734: 733: 732: 731: 730: 729: 722: 718: 714: 710: 709: 708: 705: 704: 696: 695: 694: 691: 686: 684: 678: 666: 662: 658: 653: 652: 651: 648: 645: 639: 637: 624: 621: 618: 613: 612: 611: 608: 603: 601: 594: 593: 592: 589: 586: 580: 578: 565: 564: 563: 560: 557: 551: 549: 536: 531: 530: 529: 525: 524: 520: 518: 515: 514: 507: 504: 494: 490: 486: 482: 481: 480: 477: 473: 472: 471: 467: 463: 459: 458: 457: 454: 450: 449: 448: 444: 440: 436: 433: 431: 428: 424: 423:Edward Meeker 420: 416: 415:Jack Norworth 412: 408: 406: 402: 398: 394: 391: 389: 386: 382: 378: 374: 370: 369: 366: 363: 359: 358: 357: 356: 352: 348: 331: 328: 324: 320: 316: 315: 314: 310: 306: 302: 299: 298: 297: 294: 290: 286: 285: 284: 283: 282: 281: 280: 279: 269: 265: 262: 261: 260: 256: 252: 248: 247: 246: 245: 242: 238: 234: 230: 229: 228: 227: 214: 211: 207: 203: 202: 200: 198: 195: 194: 193: 189: 185: 181: 177: 176: 175: 172: 168: 165: 164: 163: 159: 155: 150: 148: 144: 140: 136: 132: 131: 130: 127: 126: 119: 115: 113: 109: 105: 101: 98:Nominate and 97: 96: 95: 93: 92: 79: 75: 74:Edward Meeker 71: 70:Tin Pan Alley 67: 63: 62:Jack Norworth 59: 42: 40: 29: 26: 19: 804: 794: 779: 773: 772: 755: 740: 699: 682: 643: 628: 622: 616: 599: 584: 569: 555: 540: 522: 521: 509: 505: 476:Adam Cuerden 453:Adam Cuerden 434: 427:Adam Cuerden 392: 385:Adam Cuerden 376: 362:Adam Cuerden 344: 327:Adam Cuerden 318: 293:Adam Cuerden 263: 241:Adam Cuerden 232: 231: 210:Adam Cuerden 196: 180:Murphy's law 171:Adam Cuerden 121: 99: 88: 86: 38: 27: 702:La Pianista 512:Jujutacular 124:Jujutacular 94:recording. 91:gramophone 289:This site 270:, though. 167:This book 812:Category 483:Sure. -- 377:terrible 787:anguard 748:anguard 713:haha169 657:haha169 636:anguard 577:anguard 548:anguard 506:Support 485:haha169 462:haha169 439:haha169 393:Support 347:haha169 305:haha169 264:Support 251:haha169 249:Done -- 233:Comment 184:haha169 154:haha169 139:haha169 104:haha169 100:support 89:78 RPM 68:, is a 689:(talk) 606:(talk) 523:Oppose 421:, and 197:Update 118:source 60:", by 528:Tony1 373:WP:FS 268:WP:FS 16:< 795:Wha? 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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Featured sound candidates
Take Me Out to the Ball Game
1908 – Take Me Out to the Ball Game
Take Me Out to the Ball Game
Jack Norworth
Albert Von Tilzer
Tin Pan Alley
Edward Meeker
Edison Records
gramophone
haha169
talk
04:22, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
source
Jujutacular
04:34, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Take Me Out to the Ball Game
haha169
talk
04:42, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
haha169
talk
04:51, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
This book
Adam Cuerden
05:07, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
Murphy's law
haha169
talk
05:24, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

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