543:(text here is the same as entry above) Hey Michigan, thanks for adding to the discussion - your input is especially valued since you are the original uploader. To quote from the policy page on non-free content one of the first questions we should ask when evaluating a copy-righted image is "Could the subject be adequately conveyed by text without using the non-free content at all?" - I think the answer to this in this case is yes. The text of the article - in conveying the events of the groups long history and the changes that occured to the group does a completely adequate job of establishing the groups longevity and points out changes in their musical style. Additionally a free-use rationale pertains only to a single image in-and-of-itself and cannot be spread across a series of images. So in this instance if we said that a certain image establishes the groups longevity - it does not really do so, rather it only establishes the groups existence at that given moment of time (again the text is adequate for that), which begs the question "what is significant about their visual appearance at that given moment?". If there were something integral about the groups visual appearence in a specific photo which was discussed to some length in the text of the article then I could see how a copyrighted image could add to the content - however the article does not make any important mentions of changes in visual style and if the topic is not notable enough for discussion in the text I cant an image as justifiable. Comparatively this article has a wealth of free-use images to illustrate it (most bands have only one) and claiming fair-use on even more images seems unnecessary. As it stands now (especially given the even distribution of pictures through the article and the defense provided by other users that the pictures make the page look nice) it seems to me these images are more decorative in effect and do not greatly enhance the readers understanding of the articles contents.
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without using the non-free content at all?" - I think the answer to this in this case is yes. The text of the article - in conveying the events of the groups long history and the changes that occured to the group does a completely adequate job of establishing the groups longevity and points out changes in their musical style. Additionally a free-use rationale pertains only to a single image in-and-of-itself and cannot be spread across a series of images. So in this instance if we said that a certain image establishes the groups longevity - it does not really do so, rather it only establishes the groups existence at that given moment of time (again the text is adequate for that), which begs the question "what is significant about their visual appearance at that given moment?". If there were something integral about the groups visual appearence in a specific photo which was discussed to some length in the text of the article then I could see how a copyrighted image could add to the content - however the article does not make any important mentions of changes in visual style and if the topic is not notable enough for discussion in the text I cant an image as justifiable. Comparatively this article has a wealth of free-use images to illustrate it (most bands have only one) and claiming fair-use on even more images seems unnecessary. As it stands now (especially given the even distribution of pictures through the article and the defense provided by other users that the pictures make the page look nice) it seems to me these images are more decorative in effect and do not greatly enhance the readers understanding of the articles contents.
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considered fair-use and its presence on wikipedia violates copyright law. In the instance of album artwork - those image are by nature always copyrighted (being the art on a commercial product) and so its really never possible for a free-use image to replace them. In general that makes album art acceptable for fair-use on wikipedia. When a reissue happens with different art both it and the prior are copyrighted so the subject of replacability (being one of copyrighted vs free-use media) does not apply.
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Thanks for contributing to the discussion Serge. Unfortunately the criterion for replacability in the fair-use rationale is not "is a free-use image available?" but rather "could a free-use image be created?". That means that is a free-use picture of the group can plausibly be created the image being
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Hi Jim, thank you for your thoughts on this topic. I understand that the band was at the height of their popularity with the line-up in 1983- However that line-up is not a seperate entity from the group as it exists today. Regardless of what the ideal picture of the group may be if a free-use image
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The band does still currently exist and does make public appearances in the form of concerts. It is therefor conceivable that a replacement free-use image of the band can be produced. The fact that a free-use image can be produced takes precedent over the use of a copyrighted image of the band with
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I don't understand why you care. No one has been making a fuss about this. You are not a regular contributer to that page. You appear to have some sort of axe to grind, as you have been making a habit of proposing images for deletion across numerous articles. If the copyright holder complains, then
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I don't understand why you care. No one has been making a fuss about this. You are not a regular contributer to that page. You appear to have some sort of axe to grind, as you have been making a habit of proposing images for deletion across numerous articles. If the copyright holder complains, then
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Has the copyright holder complained? I doubt it, particularly given the resolution. I vote for the picture to stay. It just plain makes the page look better, and it's informative to have a visual representation of the longevity of the band. Also, I think the replacement picture you're suggesting is
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The problem is that there are so few free images of the band and, frankly, I think it is necessary to show them at as many points in their career as possible, considering both the longevity of the band and their changes in style over the years. The picture in question illustrates how they appeared
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The problem is that there are so few free images of the band and, frankly, I think it is necessary to show them at as many points in their career as possible, considering both the longevity of the band and their changes in style over the years. The picture in question illustrates how they appeared
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Indeed, a quick search on Google image (following appropriate protocol for a FUI) has yielded at least three more images. As you said initially, it is not only conceivable that an image can be produced, it is reality. Please allow me time to upload. I am not as proficient with this process as you
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It is unnecessary to show the band at every given point in their career. There are already acceptable free use images of the group on the page; considering this we should not violate copyright in order to add additional images of the group at different times. If the desire is to illustrate a the
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Alright, I don't usually deal much with pictures, so if my arguments are off-base, I apologize. That being said, I disagree. They may be off hiatus, but shouldn't we wait until there is actually a better image before we go to delete this one? Especially since, this band in particular, isn't the
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typical type of band that poses for lots of pictures, and they often play in relatively unlit areas for concerts. I could be wrong, but couple it with the fact that the band is no longer on a major record label, and I don't think there's really going to be that many band pictures popping up.
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later on in their career... a picture from 1975 or 2006 can't effectively do that. Furthermore, the idea that we could use a picture of Kenney Jones from 2007 is absurd and not a reflection of his time in the band. In fact a similar image is used for this same purpose on
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Well alright then. I figured there was some type of policy that I didn't understand on it (I don't usually mess around with contributing pictures here.) But I just thought I'd offer my two cents. I guess if the picture is to be saved, it'll have to be on different
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Hello, from what I understand, the band does still perform, but not in the original incarnation, and the article describes the band as the photograph presents them, in 1983. I think the mage should thus stay.
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Silly and lame and posed, perhaps, but then so were most of the 80's. It does represent the longevity of the band and the different visual styles they adopted as well over the course of their career.
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we can discuss deleting the image. As it is now, you're the only editor that appears to have a problem with it.
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