Knowledge:Files for deletion/2011 April 28

84:. It's a narrow call, and I don't often go against Peripitus' good judgment, but there is a case to be made that the article's discussion of his characteristic role profile during that part of his career justifies an image like this (although it would be preferable to have more explicit commentary on it). I don't see the NFCC#8 issue as pressing enough that I'd feel comfortable overriding a clear numeric majority in this case, and since nobody else has been closing it for days I'll put it out of its misery. 6554:- "Note that it is not necessary to seek formal permission from the owner in advance of using its logo, so long as the usage is fair use, does not create any impression that the logo is associated with Knowledge or endorses either Knowledge or the article in which the logo appears, and does not create any reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner." - Grounds for complaint has not been met. 6392:"Note that it is not necessary to seek formal permission from the owner in advance of using its logo, so long as the usage is fair use, does not create any impression that the logo is associated with Knowledge or endorses either Knowledge or the article in which the logo appears, and does not create any reasonable grounds for complaint by the owner." - Grounds for complaint has not been met. 6513:- WFN is trying to get rid of old versions of the logo. Especially this one because it is the first one that shows up in a Google search. As a result, this out of date logo keeps popping up on sites, promos and in the media all over. Please help by removing this logo. If it is still online in a week then I'll have WFN's lawyer send an official request for the company directly to Knowledge. 5024:: The covers are so similar that one is sufficient to identify the subject of an article. There is text that mentions there are alternate covers, but the alternates do not even appear near that text. And there is no sourced commentary on the alternates that requires showing them for reader understand—any more than the mention of different hidden messages requires audio clips. — 4781:: The covers are so similar that one is sufficient to identify the subject of an article. There is text that mentions there are alternate covers, but the alternates do not even appear near that text. And there is no sourced commentary on the alternates that requires showing them for reader understand—any more than the mention of different hidden messages requires audio clips. — 4538:: The covers are so similar that one is sufficient to identify the subject of an article. There is text that mentions there are alternate covers, but the alternates do not even appear near that text. And there is no sourced commentary on the alternates that requires showing them for reader understand—any more than the mention of different hidden messages requires audio clips. — 1012:

competing for the same user base (or user-attention). That's fine, they don't have a government granted monopoly on playmate profiles. But when we just use their copyright work to do that, we're simple just not being fair. We are replacing the original market value of the work we're using (the market value of a playboy owned image is not just its masturbation potential. Such

6536:- It's not about history - it's about not having the old logo show up on fan sites because it shows up in a Google image search. If you want to keep it for history (I don't know why anyone would be interested in the history of a fishing channel's logo) then replace it with a version that has the words "OLD LOGO" watermarked on it. 249:

image. Sure he looks different to the lead image, as actors tend to look different in different roles and at different times in their lives, but if reliable sources don't care enough to discuss his shirt or moustache how is reader's understanding significantly damaged by not seeing this image. As it stands it fails

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back of a dualdisc cover that shows that the dualdisc's cover had a back. The rationale for one article (Dualdisc) is rubbish as it applies to a different use in a different place and the other one, a mass-produced and inapplicable rationale, (Back in Black) does not address why readers need to see

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How does it not fail NFCC#1 ? remove the image and replace with the text "The Clean Studio Cover kept the central image only, with the face displayed in monochome green and the background changed to black; the text was relocated". How does replacing the image with this bit of free text significantly

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movie. It broke new ground by exploring the 60s atmosphere in the U.S. - hippies, Harleys, pot, etc. For a film like this one, what a person looked like in the film is significant to American movie-goers at the time. To be honest, there are many British, Italian, French and Russian award-winning and

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I don't think that's a particularly strong argument. Since I dispute the assertion that this fails the NFCC, I'd also add that doing the best possible job trumps fairness when all other things are equal. I suppose that this won't be resolved by further back and forth though, we'll see what everyone

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has a built in flaw: namely in the the word "readers'." The word, and the rest of the definition, is an "objective" description; but in essence a reader is singular, and a "reader's" impression is subjective. That can be said of any photo, and probably also of most paintings or any other art. So it

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add to reader's understanding, above that which could be provided by free content (eg: the article's text or existing free images in the article). Article makes no mention of his appearance and after reading it I cannot see what significant understanding I am supposed to have gained from seeing the

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WFN is trying to get rid of old versions of the logo. Especially this one because it is the first one that shows up in a Google search. As a result, this out of date logo keeps popping up on sites, promos and in the media all over. Please help by removing this logo. If it is still online in a week

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NFCC#1 again ? "For the US release the pink background was changed to green and the yellow to pink". With this small piece of freely licenced text reader's visualisation ability can close the trivial gap between the two images and voilà we have one less non-free image needed. How does it not fail

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First of all, the person is deceased. With all due respect, this severely limits the potential future revenue generated by this person. Second, I fail to see how a clothed shoulders and up portrait is going to infringe in any way on Playboy's core business, which involves mainly parts of the body

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essentially requires "Contextual significance," which the image has in commentary throughout the bio. An entire paragraph of the lead discusses his role in that film. I also would like to know where a "discussion of the image" itself is required. This is a film screen shot portrait, and the image

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To the three keep opinions. I've read the article, and in the past watched a few of his movies including Easy Rider, and am lost. What significant additional understanding was I supposed to gain from seeing the picture in its place in the article ? Can someone explain what significant additional

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Non-free TV episode screenshot, for use in infobox. Apparently random scene, just showing two people standing in a nondescript situation; not embedded in analytical commentary, not even a caption saying what it is. Meaningless FUR. No apparent identificatory value for the episode, no crucial

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Playboy is not only about selling pictures of naked girls. It has grown an empire around (and to support) that. Having a website is part of their business and having playmate profiles is part of the value of that website. When Knowledge writes playmate profiles and hosts it on the web, it is

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description is evident on its face. It is not necessary to include sourced commentary explaining why he wore a brown shirt and a mustache, I hope. In any case, it's always valuable to have an image of an actor during their main career years; this article had none.--

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maybe iconic films and actors that I've never heard of. To rent those you had to find a video shop with a decent "foreign film" section, and there were few of those. That's just the way it is. There is an automatic bias implied by some of the above questions

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In all honesty, I'd think that the stated reason "Provide photo during peak career period" could be considered valid, certainly the other images of this guy are of him much older. I would say "add a line or two more of support text" but otherwise I'd err on

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Orphaned fair use. Very, very similar to current logo, to the point where the sentence "The logo used from 2005 to 2008 is identical to the current one, except that it had a thick black border around the lettering" would suffice. Fails NFCC#1 and NFCC#7.

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Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater, this is a free image being used in a ton of articles. As for the duplicates, are you sure that they are pixel for pixel identical? If not, deleting them and using one for every article is bad practice.

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non-free image that is very similar to the existing non-free cover image in the article. The small differences (colour) can easily be adequately described with text alone, without significantly impairing reader's understanding, and this image fails

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Non-free image that is just a modified version of the other ones in the article. The small changes (colour and line overlay) can be described with text alone without significantly impairing reader's understanding of the article. Image fails

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NFCC#1 ? what significant impairment to reader's understanding is there by removing the image ? How is having two images that are identical except for the colour, when there is no mention of the colours in the article, required ?

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article. While the images are redundant, all the images are accurate and appropriate to include in each of the articles. Obviously we do not need to retain all these copies of the same image, but at least one copy should be kept.

4992:, significant stylistic differences between the four versions, I believe all four warrant inclusion. If we decide against keeping, I would suggest creating a mash up of all four versions in one image for use in the top infobox. 4749:, significant stylistic differences between the four versions, I believe all four warrant inclusion. If we decide against keeping, I would suggest creating a mash up of all four versions in one image for use in the top infobox. 4506:, significant stylistic differences between the four versions, I believe all four warrant inclusion. If we decide against keeping, I would suggest creating a mash up of all four versions in one image for use in the top infobox. 1163:. The whole purpose of that page is to sell memberships in the Playboy Cyber Club. Our article does not sell such memberships, and so the use "replaces the original market role of the original copyrighted media" in violation of 688:

tag myself, as it was inaccurate, so now it has no license, and I don't really see there being any free use license that applies. With all of the other images of this plane, I doubt fair use qualifies. Therefore this has to go.

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understanding of the topic a reader is supposed to gain by seeing the article with this image specifically ? All I can see is three opinions stating that the image is significant.....without taking the time to say how -

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Non-free image that is basically just the same as the lead non-free image in the article. The small differences (largely the font used) can easily be described with text alone and this image fails

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Relisted, I guess... something weird happened here. One of the deletion discussions was on the file's page itself (Part II) and the other was a deletion rationle (Part I). I'm really not sure.

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This does not fail #1, and the argument for #8 is weak, I think. #3a is perhaps the strongest of your three arguments, however I'm not 100% ready to agree. In this case the cover barely clears

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I tend to err on the side of keeping alternate album covers, however this version dosen't even appear to have been used. The one at the top of the infobox is the one described in the article.

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which is an existing non-free image in the article, with the addition of 4 fold lines. The small differences (fold lines) can easily be described with text alone and this image fails

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I agree with you that it's coveninent for us to use this image. Please add some nasty comments that are at least barely related to the concerns I've raised on the nomination. --

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non-free image of an album that adds nothing to reader's understanding (and the rationale is the usual mass-produced version that does not really apply to this image. Fails

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article. In Windows 2000 article, boot screen is not discussed in a manner that needs this screenshot. In Bootsplash, the screenshot of a free operating systems like

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This does not fail #1, and the argument for #8 is weak, I think. #3a is perhaps the strongest of your three arguments, however I'm not willing to commit to that one.

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Possible incorrect image; bot uploaded 8 identical images with different names, unclear which one is the accurate image. The others have been deleted as duplicates (

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It's a low-res image of a deceased person. It can't be re-created. If a free image pops up, then we just delete this one and replace it...until then, it's a keeper.

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which is an existing non-free image in the article. The small differences (only part of image shown) can easily be described with text alone and this image fails

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It does not. That headshot provides no context to the text and that text does not need imagery to have a context set. Your whole argument is circular at best. --

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that the issue of NFCC#8 had not been addressed, as there is no discussion of the image in the article. Therefore I'm relisting here for further consideration.

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I'm sure there are cases where the back cover would have something so interesting as to warrant inclusion. This, however, is not that back cover. Fails NFCC#8.

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The back? You mean the track list (which is usually in the article) and the producer information (which is usually in the infobox)? Fails NFCC#8 and NFCC#1.

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The back? You mean the track list (which is usually in the article) and the producer information (which is usually in the infobox)? Fails NFCC#8 and NFCC#1.

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This article does not need three covers for identification. If the article needs to describe this alternate cover, it can be done with free text. —

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This article does not need three covers for identification. If the article needs to describe this alternate cover, it can be done with free text. —

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which is an existing non-free image in the article. The small differences (colour) can easily be described with text alone and this image fails

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add to the reader's understanding of the subject of the article, per Wikiwatcher. It is my view that this is a 'no-brainer'.

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This actor is known for his appearance in this photo. An image of him 40+ years after the fact doesn't give ANY context.

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Context is everything for a SINGLE photo of Dennis Hopper in his youth (which can't be replaced by images of him today).

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the writer is not overly knowledgeable about American films, IMO. Hope that opinion doesn't come as a shock to anyone.--

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Yep, line for line identical diagrams. I'd scrap them both in favor of an SVG, but that's not a skill I possess.

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Note that in Part II, only the 2 comments with signatures are legitimate. The rest are made by the nominator. —

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