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475: 220:- I have moved the image out of the infobox down to the section that discusses the drawing. It seems more than reasonable to have a sample of the artwork that is discussed in the article. What is not reasonable, as Damiens.rf correctly points out, is to simply use the drawing in place of a photo of the guy. -- 875:
in these issues, or ought to. It surely doesn't seem to be so obviously clear that I can close this before its appointed time; someone will either delete the templates or the image based on what's said in this discussion. (And that shouldn't be me, because I added an opinion.) I still don't have a
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something. A non-free image can be used only if "its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding", hence my "ridiculous assertion". What do you feel this photograph shows that can not be said in the article?
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There's no change of policy being proposed. NFCC#8 would remain policy, and, I ask you, in what way is reader understanding significantly increased by seeing this picture? The issue under discussion is the interpretation/wording of a specific example of acceptable non-free images.
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The file is in no way a "hoax". It was recorded by Robert Wilton in 1920 and a picture was taken as a part of the Sokolov investigation. Even the Romanov memorial website features it, although it's conclusions about it are different than that of Wilton:
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It also depicts the Senators' attempt at trying to circumvent the US Constitution's First Amendment protection against censorship of artistic expression by attacking media distributors instead with charges of marketing "adult" content to minors.
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since we don't need to see a photo of the man holding a CD to understand that he did it. While the information is relevant for the article, it's not visual information. It's an event that is perfectly and naturally explained in prose.
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That they, at one point, held a copy of the album? I am not saying that we should not talk about the issue, I'm saying that this image, in showing us two men in suits, one of them holding an album, adds nothing to the article.
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Disputed semi-speedy. I'm sure the hearing was important, but what these two men happened to look like at the time is not. This image is adding nothing to the article and, in any case, lacks solid sourcing/author information.
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J Milburn has a point. I guess I didn't understand this policy before he explained it here. But in light of the policy change being voted on, I'd like to wait for the results before any action is taken on this picture.
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The fact that an image reveals disturbing realities does not in any way invalidate it. Wilton also confirmed some aspects of what I discussed in his book. The story of the ensuing censorship of Wilton is
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Dissenting opinion on deletion. The importance of the image is not in depicting how these two men looked (as J Milburn keeps ridiculously trying to assert), it is the fact that they are holding a copy of
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that would allow non-free images of events when the events are discussed in the article, Since the article discuss the fact that the man hold the CD at that situation, the result should be
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Image is clearly PD and could serve a useful purpose on WP. If it is being misused, then remove it from the pages where it is being misused, not nominate for deletion.
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into other articles, the lack of merit in the theory really doesn't have to do with whether we should keep this file. If it's a "well known" hoax it's likely a
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http://www.archive.org/download/TheLastDaysOfTheRomanovs/The_Last_Days_Of_The_Romanovs-Robert_Wilton_and_Depositions_Of_Eye_Witnesses-1920-350pgs-POL.sml.pdf
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Information about Robert Wilton and the ensuing ordeals he went through for presenting accurate information about the revolution can be garnered here:
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I do not believe deletion is justified. This file has not been altered. The image is discussed on p. 160 of the original edition of Wilton's book:
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That's probably because I deleted the copyvio on the file description page that described, in great detail, what we were looking at. --
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articles, though both of them go into deeper depth on the 1999 hearing. I have since changed its rationale for keeping it in Knowledge.
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Not currently used, appears to have been uploaded for POV-pushing related to alleged Jewish involvement in the death of the Romanovs.
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Apparently you are an admin. I would appreciate it if the deletion threat on the description page of my image could be removed.
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as the uploader has been blocked and the sourcing is dubious. The source claimed is a 1965 book (not public domain). --
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This file will be used later. It is an important item to keep. It is a piece of evidence that corroborates a person (
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Does this mean I can remove the threat of deletion? Are you an admin or somebody who has authority in disputes?
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the media's talk page or in a
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Here is another interesting item tangential to the original one, which gives insight into some aspects of it
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the media below.
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clue what this is a picture of or what I'm supposed to learn from it. -
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http://knud.eriksen.adr.dk/Controversybook/TheWorldRevolutionAgain.htm
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article more than valid. I admit that I was wrong in using it in the
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wishes to delete this image is because it clashes with his ideology.
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In using a non-free image, you are saying that it is important to
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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and discussing its supposed corrosive effect on the mindset of
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Knowledge:Files for deletion
May 30
June 1
File:Voluntaryism.png
deletion review
Commons
nominate it for deletion there
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File:Voluntaryism.png
delete
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history
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logs
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