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of an unfree statue. Additionally, since you took the photo, you must grant permission to use the photographic parts of the image. The photo currently implements details from both you and from the sculptor and so you are copyright holders of different aspects of the photo. Neither you nor the
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and it will be off on a 100 page trip to nowhere. Comes down to your guess being as good as mine. I know the secret to solve these puzzles, but meh, nobody listens to
Penyulap. Ask Craigboy :) he'll tell you nobody listens to me :) What I do is avoid annoying people, I think would the
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