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1085:"Contextual significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." Doesn't really forbid non-contemporary images. We have images of Jesus Christ despite nobody having an authentic contemporary image of him. A non-contemporary image can significantly increase readers' understanding of the subject as well if contemporary images are absent. This portrait is widely used in recent years to depict the faceless historical figure, see
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Austria (which isn't even discussed in the article yet). All of these are much worse than removing such images (that should have been removed a long time ago) from Google search... Fight where it is due, not where it is hip.
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