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included attribution to myself and rational for use in every article it was featured in. A few years ago, the first image was tagged and suggested for movement to Commons. I questioned this, given that they'd all been tagged as non-free fair use, but numerous people claimed that the images were free because "they featured letters or simple images that could not be considered copyrightable." This still seemed sketchy, and I actually fought against this until it was finally explained to me as that the images themselves were what was being considered under copyright, not the uniforms they depicted. Therefore, licensing was my decision, and I released my work as fair use. Since then, things have become a bit of a mess. Half of the images have been moved to Commons. A quarter have had small changes made or have been reuploaded with other people claiming full attribution to themselves. Some have had their names changed. It's a bit of a mess, but as long as I could update them and they were featured in the articles, I paid little mind.
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uniforms are one-off, things that are done for a special event or worn only once. Regular alternates ar put on the schedule and worn on a regular basis. Some teams wear a third uniform every Sunday. Some wear them on the road for every night game. The Marlins and White Sox have, at times, completely ditched the home white or away gray for a colored alternate. The Indians wore their navy alternate every game of the 2017 post season. Special uniforms are not included. These images are the home white, the away gray, and any alternate that is regularly scheduled. Of course, if there's a section on uniforms, variations on images can be used in said section, but I would suggest making that a different image so that the infobox images (which are the ones in quesiton) remain uniform across every team's page and don't become to unwieldy. --
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no place in an encyclopedia. This discussion came up when it was suggested that baseball uniforms be depicted similar to how basketball and soccer uniforms are depicted. I've had little time to continue my work on hockey and football, instead focusing on baseball, but if I had the time, I'd prefer an accurate version of those sports be created in line with baseball. Those depictions are incorrect and inaccurate. Licensing woes are no excuse for misinformation. -
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File needs to be restored to the readable version. Currently it's just boxes with colors even User:FleetCommand agreed that DatBot reduced the image size beyond recognition. The image relies on the readability to discern what each UAC prompt is all about. The file has actually already been downsized
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As for the matter of what is depicted in the images, each image is an accurate representation of the uniforms worn by a team. "Variations" on each uniform are not included. Each uniform is depicted only once. But each uniform is depicted. Doing any less would be inaccurate, and inaccuracy holds
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It's been nearly a month since this issue was raised and this discussion started. I've held back from making any changes to the images in question, or any other baseball uniform images until this matter was closed, but I cannot wait any longer. If any consensus is found or decision made, let me
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I think we should get to the heart of the terms "variation" and "special". In this day, the MLB is making millions off of putting as many different uniforms as they can on the field. If they show it, people will buy it. There's a home, a road, regular alternates, and special uniforms. Special
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If a change needs to be made, and we must return to their original documentation and attribution, that's perfectly fine. There's already precedent for it, and if I looked back I'm sure all the information is still somewhere in the archives of this site (although the site has taken to purging the
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Per recent Supreme Court ruling in Star Athletica v Varsity Brands, if the design elements of a useful article would be copyrightable if reproduced in a 2D or 3D work of art separate from the useful article itself, then they constitute a copyrightable design. As such, this uniform is protected by
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As the creator of the template/images in question, let me give a little bit of background on this. When licensing originally became an important matter some years ago, they all contained a template for sports uniform image licensing, a template for trademark/copyright image, and a template that
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It would depend on the type of "special" uniform and if it is critically discussed somewhere in the article. If it is, then grouping them all together in one image would be the way to go. As for the standard home/away uniforms, I agree. Those are probably all fine under our fair use policy.
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all as a valid fair use (minimal use, used in articles, low-res, key to understanding topic, illustrating article text, etc.) though any improper tagging and other technical issues should be cleaned up, as a whole, I don't see the use as invalid.
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Leading note, this applies to all of these all the way down. I'm just not going to copy/paste myself. Anyways, these probably fall under fair use. We already have a licensing tag specific to this. See
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And yet, we have bot enforcing a strict allowable resolution? That's unacceptable. It borderlines on editor abuse. Aside from the systematic bias, this has been my top grievance in Knowledge. Also,
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There is no firm guideline on allowable resolutions for non-free content; images should be rescaled as small as possible to still be useful as identified by their rationale, and no larger.
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Most are properly tagged with the exception of some misleading wording implying that they are only restricted by trademark. I have a pending bot task to deal with that wording issue. See
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for one example). If, indeed, they are not copyright-free, but we do content that fair-use is valid, they should be all moved back and properly tagged. --
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is not straight-forward on this. I'd say we can probably include home/away, but any "special" versions of the uniform are likely pushing it. ~
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The author claims "Enterprise and Business Act" as a PD reason but this is not a valid reason since it's not an orphan work. –
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but is betraying its spirit and act of vandalism too. The rule that precedes NFCC is: The uploaded image must be usable.
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Low-quality animated gif image. Also has a small watermark. Is unusable and therefore out of project scope.
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know and I will make whatever changes are necessary. In the meantime, I'll go back to work.
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be fine under fair use. The issue right now is working through the newly created backlog. --
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copyright. Non-free use may be possible; I am not evaluating that myself. See
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As a side note, many of these were, at some point, moved to commons (see
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histories of images, making this a bit harder to do.) It's a simple fix.
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Previously published on official Facebook page, need permission. –
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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