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748:, which is about a blues musician. The page has multiple claims of notability: Blues Hall of Fame (apparently a local Chicago event, not the one with a Knowledge (XXG) article) more than 30 albums released (they exist, but I found only one album reviews), multiple tours (dozens of extensive upcoming events announcements which mainly have info from his publicist, very little after-event reporting). Also, the draft claims eight Grammy nominations. The Grammy website lists winners, but is there a place I can find a list of those nominated to verify this claim?— 1048: 872: 692:. Does the presence of a copyvio link as a reference on Knowledge (XXG) violate our copyright policy, or would there need to be a full version of the text to constitute a violation of copyright policy? The question is academic since the link is dead, but I'd still like to know what would have been done. Thanks, 513:
significantly, since I'd want to allow the α, α, α and &#x03B1 forms. Adding support for extracting a trailing HTML entity from arbitrary text automatically without being ridiculously inefficient is also a bit tricky, and might require a drop to Lua. (Or has someone
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impress (AGF) readers of his advance publicity, and that it succeeded in confusing me, and some journalists, including the Chicago Tribune contributor mentioned above, into thinking that he had been "Grammy nominated". I plan to remove all mention of it from the draft. It makes me wonder what else
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the section was written by a person directly related to the topic? I'm writing an article about an upcoming video game, and one of the producers set up a Reddit page with information about it, as well as an AMA (Ask me anything). I was wondering if these pages would be suitable sources, since they
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made by the subject. Company X announced a profit of $ x.xx per share in 2014? Y announced they were severing ties with Z for reason Q? All great things for self-published sources. But for the quality, significance, or other merits of author A's book, author A is not to be trusted in the
1020:, AMAs should come from major subs that have instituted a reasonably reliable process for verification of AMA participants (e.g. /r/AMA, /r/askscience, ect.). If there is no verification process in place, there is no reason to believe that the person is who they claim to be. 767:. I see his name as #78/226 of the list at this list http://pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/82723?page=40#post-2408933 (not linked because link spam filter) of the 2010 nominees for "Field 4 - Rock Category 20 - Best Rock Song", but not on the much shorter list at 723:
speedy deletion), but a related rule. I'm also a lot less picky about external links, and will give a useful external link the benefit of the doubt in almost all cases. (As that first link says, whether there is a legal danger at all is not entirely clear.)
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show the current Wikidata description when I search. I don't have the Knowledge (XXG) app and cannot test it but I guess the "Trending" feature caches descriptions. I don't know whether it can be forced to update earlier than normal.
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be included in an article, but most are trivial; finding a fact discussed in independent published sources makes it more likely to be of interest to others beyond those closely connected to the subject, and therefore worth
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explains the two-round process leading to a 5-entry short list of "nominees",but doesn't explain what the first round entries are called; "elected" may even be accurate. (That whole section is also completely uncited.
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I'm attempting to create an infobox for "International Rivalry" (large, long running conflicts between nations that are more than simply wars), but in following the directions for how to create one, I get lost at the
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the prototype" step. The wikilink in the article doesn't really give an example of how to do this, which is what I need. Are there better, simpler directions on how to create or tweak the infobox? Thanks in advance.
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I don't think it matters if it's a primary source. Based on the topic and the status of the game, I think primary sources are actually my best bet, if used properly. Here's the article (It's not nearly complete):
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I think it would make sense to go to the trouble of overcoming the template's limitations only if it becomes more widely used. If no-one responds here, I guess there might be an audience for such questions at
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lets me know that it's successfully been transcluded. The point is that it's not merely linked, and it's not subst-ed, which means that you dump the entire contents of the template. Check your talk page.
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is a bit confusing, for example, but I can't think of anything better. I just wanted a few more eyes on it before I started baking it in to main-space pages. (And thanks for the pointer to
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is far too wide for the page. It needs to be reconfigured so that the three "sections" are stacked vertically rather than horizontally. Unfortunately table markup is my nemesis.
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Archive.org has a page with an "Archive now" link, so you don't have to wonder if it will get around to doing so. Strange that this isn't on their main page:
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The page you are currently viewing is an archive page. While you can leave answers for any questions shown below, please ask new questions on one of the
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which specified the years of the "elections", agreeing with the draft. The 2010 list at Pulsemusic has more than 200 entries in one category, whereas "
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I have no experience in the area, but I did the edit, and the preview page showed the category, but it went away after I hit "save". So it's done.
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save a copy, but is there something systematic I can do either at archive.org or elsewhere to make sure the cited page is preserved somewhere? -
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P.S. I tried "authorn" and "vauthors" as mentioned on the category page, but when I checked the preview button, it screwed up the reference.
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How can the Knowledge (XXG) app be forced to update? An expletive is currently appearing next to Jared Kushner's link on the Main Page.
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sources, seems fine to me. An official AMA is reasonably reliably attributed and not just "some random guy claiming to work there".
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Anyway, any opinions on the template design? Also feel free to complain about the documentation if you have trouble with that part.
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which looks a lot better. But yes, nice illustrations, and displaying them well on a variable-width browser window is a challenge.
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An expletive is appearing next to Jared Kushner's link in the "Trending" section of the Main Page with the Knowledge (XXG) app, but
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else already created a template which solves that problem? The lack of alternation in Lua patterns means I need multiple calls to
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Of course, closely related sources can't be used to show notability. I try to avoid adding information on the basis of
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I don't have a direct answer, but one thing I often do when the stability of a source is unclear is to include a
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Thanks, Lourdes! 71.41.210.146, quoting won't do it in this case, I drew half a dozen facts from the page. -
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it everywhere, though, I'd like to ask what people think about the design and its limitations. The helper
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I know how to purge a page in a regular manner. The issue specifically affects the Knowledge (XXG) app.
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I cannot figure out how to make a wiki Book. Where is the best instructions or video on how to do it?
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http://www.popsugar.com/entertainment/Full-List-2010-Grammy-Award-Nominees-2009-12-02-202228-6497686
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for doing all the tedious but necessary work of checking references to find these exaggerations.
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You're exactly right, mea culpa. Still, I was at least pointing in the right general direction.
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That's the normal way in which a template is used. For example, if I type {{nac}} here, seeing
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of the most important bit in the citation template. so the key part is preserved in WP proper.
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How can I start writing a biography of a notable person? Is there any template I can use?
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I poked at it a little more, eliminating the left-hand label column. I also made the text
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looked pretty ugly on other letters, but I figured it was a yes/no decision at edit time.
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I could add some support for HTML entities for Greek letters, but that would enlarge the
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Yes, self-published sources are ideal for some things. Most notably for documenting
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Having a hard time finding a cross-year list. The info seems to be copied from
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I have reduced the image size as a quick fix for many users to avoid scrolling.
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in case you may wish to report the bug directly to the web app team. Thanks.
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a primary source, because there are thousands of pieces of information which
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I'm mostly worried there's something in the template's design that might
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There actually is a rough biography template. Copy and paste the code
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I was trying to say the same thing more briefly with the reference to
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has details on how to do this. To purge the main page, you could use
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to add the extra space. Unfortunately, enough space for an italic
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Hi, I just removed a link that presented a copyvio on the article
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What does transclude mean in the context of creating an infobox?
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which I've made an initial implementation of. Before I start
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a lot. As you probably can't see, there's supposed to be a
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A while ago I was editing an article that used the notation
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into a page and fill it out with the relevant information.
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page. Like, as the help page suggests, a discussion page.
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nominated it for deletion, and there was a delay while we
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Is there some sane way to force archiving of a cited page?
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category appears. Does anyone know how I can fix this?
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who might have more information on this. There's also
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improvement, or be a PITA to use. The swapped-order
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Grammy Award#Entry process and selection of nominees
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Dear editors: I have been checking out this draft:
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is designed to be useful more generally, such as in
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I don't how to get rid of a maintenance category on
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I changed "author" to "authors" and now 8: 1008:The applicable policy in this situation is 1095: 275: 1090:How to start biography of notable person? 793:says he's been nominated a few times... 45: 32: 1018:reasonable doubt as to its authenticity 765:http://www.michaelcharles.us/biography/ 61: 1192: 1017: 127: 39: 7: 1045: 520:to do a reasonably accurate match.) 1150:Knowledge (XXG):Your first article 104:I just added a citeable source to 28: 1292:Wikimedia Apps/Team/Bug reporting 214:3D Fold Evolution#Mode of linkage 1046: 870: 869: 418:Template:italics correction/calc 905:come directly from the source? 900:Can you use Reddit as a source 234:Others are welcome to do more. 1: 1325:11:43, 19 November 2016 (UTC) 1303:00:49, 19 November 2016 (UTC) 1282:00:31, 19 November 2016 (UTC) 1247:00:20, 19 November 2016 (UTC) 1221:23:03, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 1187:00:43, 19 November 2016 (UTC) 1161:00:01, 19 November 2016 (UTC) 1138:19:54, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 1114:17:51, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 1074:20:22, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 1033:19:56, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 1004:20:02, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 986:19:50, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 957:17:46, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 934:15:15, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 915:14:59, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 886:01:43, 19 November 2016 (UTC) 844:23:29, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 819:an old version of his website 802:17:05, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 780:15:33, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 758:14:40, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 734:15:12, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 711:for the official policy, and 702:14:39, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 672:13:40, 19 November 2016 (UTC) 649:13:49, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 624:13:33, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 596:13:41, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 557:13:30, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 533:13:23, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 405:13:46, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 383:13:36, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 368:13:12, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 350:13:10, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 314:09:37, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 294:08:45, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 262:13:17, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 244:09:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 226:07:08, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 200:22:53, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 176:22:51, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 163:17:11, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 152:Knowledge (XXG):Using WebCite 140:13:03, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 121:06:37, 18 November 2016 (UTC) 29: 1286:Oh I missed that. 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Knowledge (XXG):Help desk
Archives
Help desk
November 17
Oct
November
Dec
November 19
current Help Desk
Tudor Giurgiu
Jmabel
Talk
06:37, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
71.41.210.146
talk
13:03, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Jmabel
Knowledge (XXG):Using WebCite
Lourdes
17:11, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
Jmabel
Talk
22:51, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
https://archive.org/web/
Crow

22:53, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
3D Fold Evolution#Mode of linkage
Roger (Dodger67)
talk

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