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Knowledge (XXG), we, humans, have the right to disagree. Our differences will give us an opportunity to come up with a solution. So on an AfD panel, though we may give civilized rebuttals, we shall not intimidate others into complying with the majority opinion, or what we wish
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865:Formatting bilateral relations articles
680:Adding images improves the encyclopedia
3090:You should not write meaningless lists
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1435:When in doubt, hide it in the woodwork
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825:Don't hope the house will build itself
432:All Five Pillars are equally important
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2517:One sentence does not an article make
2467:Notability is not a matter of opinion
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2096:Don't throw your toys out of the pram
1614:A weak personal attack is still wrong
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1185:Don't throw more litter onto the pile
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952:Minors and persons judged incompetent
715:An unfinished house is a real problem
700:Alternatives to the "Expand" template
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2016:Don't come down like a ton of bricks
2001:Don't call people by their real name
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1087:There are no shortcuts to neutrality
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322:Knowledge (XXG):Overzealous deletion
288:Do not drink the consensus Kool-Aid:
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2930:List of jokes about Knowledge (XXG)
2597:What is and is not routine coverage
2442:No one cares about your garage band
2362:Existence does not prove notability
1780:Assume the assumption of good faith
1709:There is no Divine Right of Editors
1563:Relationships with academic editors
1425:Why was the page I created deleted?
1420:Knowledge (XXG) is not Whack-A-Mole
860:Featured articles may have problems
647:Knowledge (XXG) is not RationalWiki
198:Read the nominator's comments next:
177:Knowledge (XXG):Notability (sports)
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2547:Reducing consensus to an algorithm
2031:Don't drink the consensus Kool-Aid
1245:Adjectives in your recommendations
1122:What an article should not include
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820:Don't get hung up on minor details
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60:thoroughly vetted by the community
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2612:Knowledge (XXG) is not Crunchbase
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1593:You have a right to remain silent
1042:Restoring part of a reverted edit
997:Potential, not just current state
927:Ignore STRONGNAT for date formats
161:be ashamed to be in the minority:
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2056:Don't ignore community consensus
1290:Confusing arguments mean nothing
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1674:Old-fashioned Wikipedian values
1360:Identifying blatant advertising
1142:The world will not end tomorrow
972:Not everything needs a template
885:How to write a featured article
487:Editors will sometimes be wrong
242:were extended from 5 to 7 days.
134:an AfD discussion is not a vote
3151:Avoid writing redundant essays
2800:Don't stuff beans up your nose
2675:Akin's Laws of Article Writing
2502:Obscurity ≠Lack of notability
2452:Notability cannot be purchased
2412:Masking the lack of notability
1175:Copyediting reception sections
1077:Temporary versions of articles
1007:Principle of Some Astonishment
795:Creating controversial content
695:Akin's Laws of Article Writing
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351:Knowledge (XXG):Sham consensus
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1916:Knowledge (XXG):Because I can
1739:Two wrongs don't make a right
1729:The rules of polite discourse
1659:It's not the end of the world
967:Not everything needs a navbox
835:Don't "teach the controversy"
507:Here to build an encyclopedia
3065:Knowledge (XXG) is an MMORPG
2760:BOLD, revert, revert, revert
2680:Alternatives to edit warring
1543:Maintaining a friendly space
309:drink the consensus kool-aid
3045:The Five Pillars of Untruth
2835:Editing under the influence
2372:Google searches and numbers
2091:Don't template the regulars
2006:Don't call the kettle black
1800:Be excellent to one another
1684:Revert notification opt-out
1588:We are all Wikipedians here
1037:Put a little effort into it
982:Obtain peer review comments
937:Introduction to structurism
875:Fruit of the poisonous tree
845:Editors are not mindreaders
750:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle
740:Beef up that first revision
512:Leave it to the experienced
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2885:How to vandalize correctly
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2815:Don't delete the main page
2735:Avoid using preview button
2457:Notability comparison test
2041:Don't fight fire with fire
2036:Don't eat the troll's food
1996:Don't call a spade a spade
1991:Don't bludgeon the process
1840:Encourage full discussions
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1285:But there must be sources!
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1027:Pruning article revisions
855:Endorsements (commercial)
840:Editing on mobile devices
745:Blind men and an elephant
720:Articles have a half-life
467:Dissent is not disloyalty
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2900:Ignore every single rule
2875:How to get away with UPE
2755:Before they were notable
2527:Overreliance upon Google
2322:Common sourcing mistakes
1895:Settle the process first
1855:Imagine others complexly
1759:Writing for the opponent
1734:There is no common sense
1415:Unopposed AFD discussion
1400:Relisting can be abusive
1275:Avoid repeated arguments
880:Give an article a chance
730:Avoid mission statements
690:Advanced text formatting
685:Advanced article editing
632:Knowledge (XXG) in brief
617:The rules are principles
577:Product, process, policy
427:Articles must be written
101:This page in a nutshell:
3170:Policies and guidelines
3005:Requests for medication
2985:Please bite the newbies
2910:Mess with the templates
2477:Notability means impact
2011:Don't call things cruft
1986:Don't be the Fun Police
1795:Avoid the word "vandal"
1744:Knowledge (XXG) clichés
1609:A thank you never hurts
1380:Liar liar pants on fire
1315:Deletion is not cleanup
1225:Writing better articles
1215:Write the article first
1190:Gender-neutral language
1162:Writing article content
1152:Writing better articles
1147:Write the article first
1082:Tertiary-source fallacy
850:Encourage the newcomers
810:Dictionaries as sources
755:Build content to endure
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3199:Policy writing is hard
2905:Is that even an essay?
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2357:Existence ≠Notability
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