229:). I didn't get proper answer and reverted back. Please take into account that both units section and manual as a whole is highly disputed! As can be seen from user mjcdetroit's contribution page he didn't stop his detrimental edits. As i've poiinted out previously. There is no any help in using customary units as they don't add anything to understanding of how big country is. (as well don't do km, but at least ranking used standard SI units.) --
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Moreover, also in style-manual talk, you noted that "it doesn't make wp universal it does make it ridiculous" (18:29), which suggests that you might have been emotionally charged when you reverted 30 minutes later, and I hoped you might since then have reconsidered your
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aparently this is the case. if you'll read mosnum's talk page, you'd notice that there is no aggreement. As i see it, this mediation not about use of non-metric units in general, rather about particular template (infobox country) and about the way
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Yes, there is no doubt that I can be wrong. That edit was not intended as policy. On the other hand, in this particular case, I think it is well settled and obviously correct that we need to include both measurements in many or most
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