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OK, I think I understand the nature of the dispute pretty clearly. I don't have an opinion on this myself (somehow the nuns at my
Catholic school neglected to teach me anything about Hebrew linguistics :P), but it's not the job of a mediator to have an opinion anyway. What I propose doing is to make
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First, I have given different translations of the words "Am
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I am and have always been very willing to discuss it in a constructive and cooperative manner. I should only ask the same of you. I also ask you to stop telling me not to edit your article, and that I do not have the skills for it. Thank you. I am not sure the formal procedure either, but I do
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Also, the standard Hebrew pronoucation should be placed first, also called the "Israeli" prouncation, and not the old style
Ashkenazi pronucation (which is still there following). He also does not want it menioted that "Am Yisrael Chai" has been used as both a song and a rallying cry for Jews.
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OK, since I've heard back from both parties, I'm going to review the history of the dispute and the applicable guidelines. In the meantime, would it be satisfactory for both of you to hold the discussion on this page? If so, please make a statement below on your position regarding the article's
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Unfortunately, you do not have the necessary knowledge in certain areas (such as linguistics) to know whether your edits are helping or hurting the article, but you very much resent being informed that some of your edits might be inaccurate, and you seem to insist on adding in your paraphrases
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Also, he has an unfortunate tendency to to paraphrase things, and add unnecessary redundant verbiage in the process, and when he does this for things he doesn't have a solid knowledge of, such as linguistics, then the results can be rather unfortunate (such as turning a true assertion into
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I'm not sure what the formal procedure is here, or where I'm supposed to add my comments, but one thing that I've needed from him all the way through from beginning to end is some form of explanation from him as to why he chose to change the verb mood in the
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content. The only favor I ask is that you leave aside, for now, any complaints of other parties' past conduct and limit the comment to issues concerning the content of the article. Thanks for agreeing to use this forum to resolve the dispute - let's begin!
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from indicative to non-indicative. That was pretty much the first question I ever asked him, his mocking hostility on this point in his second-ever reply to me did much to set the negative tone of our future association
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